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Do civilians with guns ever stop mass shootings

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Law & Order | 206843 hits | Oct 05 12:31 am | Posted by: N_Fiddledog
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Backers of laws that let pretty much all law-abiding people carry concealed guns in public places often argue that these laws will sometimes enable people to stop mass shootings. Opponents occasionally ask: If that�s so, what examples can one give of civi

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  1. by avatar N_Fiddledog
    Mon Oct 05, 2015 7:40 am
    Try this:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/vol ... shootings/

  2. by avatar N_Fiddledog
    Mon Oct 05, 2015 7:43 am

  3. by OnTheIce
    Mon Oct 05, 2015 11:50 am
    Answer: Rarely

    Going back 20 years to find some cases where it "might" have prevented mass shootings while ignoring the 20+ that have happened in years since...is just typical "nothing to see here" chatter.

  4. by avatar fifeboy
    Mon Oct 05, 2015 12:44 pm
    A quick google search (30 seconds) gave me this:



    Innocents Lost
    A Year of Unintentional Child Gun Deaths
    REPORTS UNINTENTIONAL DEATHS
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    1. EXECUTIVE SUMMARY
    June 24, 2014

    Federal data from the Centers for Disease Control indicate that between 2007 and 2011, an average of 62 children age 14 and under were accidentally shot and killed each year. But our analysis of publicly reported gun deaths shows that the federal data substantially undercount these deaths.
    EXECUTIVE SUMMARY

    In Asheboro, North Carolina, a 26-year-old mother was cleaning her home when she heard a gunshot. Rushing into the living room, she discovered that her three-year-old son had accidentally shot her boyfriend�s three-year-old daughter with a .22-caliber rifle the parents had left in the room, loaded and unlocked.1

    In Fayette County, Pennsylvania, a two-year-old toddler took his stepfather�s pistol out of his mother�s purse and shot himself in the head while the adults were in another room.2 And in northeast Houston, when his mother stepped away for a moment, a five-year-old boy picked up a loaded rifle and accidentally shot his older brother in the back.3

    American children are sixteen times more likely to be killed in unintentional shootings than their peers in other high-income countries.

    In all three incidents, adults left loaded and unlocked guns easily accessible to children. Miraculously, the children survived their injuries. But in far too many unintentional shootings they do not.

    Federal data from the Centers for Disease Control indicate that between 2007 and 2011, an average of 62 children age 14 and under died each year in unintentional shootings.4 By this measure, American children are sixteen times more likely to be killed in unintentional shootings than their peers in other high-income countries.5

    But our analysis of publicly reported gun deaths in the twelve months after the mass shooting in Newtown, Connecticut, shows that the federal data substantially undercount these deaths:

    From December 2012 to December 2013, at least 100 children were killed in unintentional shootings � almost two each week, 61 percent higher than federal data reflect. And even this larger number reflects just a fraction of the total number of children injured or killed with guns in the U.S. each year, regardless of the intent.
    About two-thirds of these unintended deaths � 65 percent � took place in a home or vehicle that belonged to the victim�s family, most often with guns that were legally owned but not secured. Another 19 percent took place in the home of a relative or friend of the victim.
    More than two-thirds of these tragedies could be avoided if gun owners stored their guns responsibly and prevented children from accessing them. Of the child shooting deaths in which there was sufficient information available to make the determination, 70 percent (62 of 89 cases) could have been prevented if the firearm had been stored locked and unloaded. By contrast, incidents in which an authorized user mishandled a gun � such as target practice or hunting accidents � constituted less than thirty percent of the incidents.
    While our analysis finds these tragedies to be far more common than previously reported, it also gives reason for optimism. First and foremost, it shows that unintentional child gun deaths can be prevented: if fewer gun owners left their guns loaded and unlocked, fewer children would lose their lives.

    Second, we provide the first detailed analysis of a twelve-month period of unintentional ch ild deaths across the country � including how the shooters obtained the guns; where the fatal shootings occurred; who pulled the trigger; whether the deaths resulted in criminal charges; and, crucially, whether the deaths could have been avoided if guns were stored safely.

    Finally, based on these findings and the existing scientific research, the report presents several ways that we can reduce the number of children killed in unintentional shootings � including enhancing responsible firearm storage by educating gun owners; deterring irresponsible storage practices through child access prevention laws; and fostering new technologies.

    It concludes with several recommendations:

    States should adopt stronger laws to prevent children from accessing unsecured guns, by authorizing criminal charges if an adult gun owner stores his or her gun negligently, a child gains access to the firearm, and harm results.
    Congress should appropriate funds for research to improve public health surveillance of unintentional child gun deaths and to develop effective educational materials for promoting safe storage.
    Congress should earmark funding for the Consumer Product Safety Commission to evaluate and set standards for emerging technologies that promote gun safety, such as biometric gun safes.
    Doctors should be allowed and encouraged to promote gun safety, and efforts to gag physicians should be opposed.
    Greater awareness of the issue should be promoted through a national public education campaign enlisting law enforcement, corporate, and non-profit partners.

  5. by avatar andyt
    Mon Oct 05, 2015 2:43 pm
    It's too late for the US. Change the 2nd amendment to "the duty to bear arms at all times..." and leave them to their insanity. Just stop them at the border.

  6. by avatar BartSimpson  Gold Member
    Mon Oct 05, 2015 2:54 pm
    "Newsbot" said
    Do civilians with guns ever stop mass shootings?


    The paradox of the question is that in those cases where an armed civilian has stopped a potential mass killer there has been no mass shooting. :idea:

    So what you're looking for to corroborate the notion that armed citizens prevent mass shootings is to determine the number of mass shootings that occur where people are permitted to be armed versus the number of mass shootings where people are required by law or regulation to be unarmed.

    There will be your answer. :idea:

  7. by avatar BartSimpson  Gold Member
    Mon Oct 05, 2015 2:54 pm
    "andyt" said
    It's too late for the US. Change the 2nd amendment to "the duty to bear arms at all times..." and leave them to their insanity. Just stop them at the border.


    Unless you need our guns or our troops. Then be sure to bitch because we didn't show up fast enough. :roll:

  8. by avatar andyt
    Mon Oct 05, 2015 3:12 pm
    We certainly don't need your civilian nutbars and their guns, and I can't recall a time we needed your troops either. Seems to me we gave them a spanking last time they tried that.

  9. by avatar BartSimpson  Gold Member
    Mon Oct 05, 2015 3:14 pm
    "andyt" said
    We certainly don't need your civilian nutbars and their guns, and I can't recall a time we needed your troops either. Seems to me we gave them a spanking last time they tried that.


    You totally failed history, didn't you?

  10. by Thanos
    Mon Oct 05, 2015 3:46 pm
    I totally respect the US military. I have no respect for some poorly educated American cretin that thinks he has to collect a hundred firearms, and parade around with them in a place like Walmart, because Alex Jones or Wayne LaPierre has convinced said cretin that he has to do this to keep Obama at bay.

  11. by avatar Delwin
    Mon Oct 05, 2015 4:24 pm
    Seeing as the Oregon shooter was wearing a flak jacket, its unlikely it would have done any good if some creative writing teacher had a gun, he took her out first as well. A planned attack will be just as effective whether the teacher is armed or not.

    It will just be gun nut with a high caliber rifle and flak jacket vs ill trained teacher with small caliber hand gun and no armor.

    Rocket turrets in every class is really the way to go.

  12. by avatar andyt
    Mon Oct 05, 2015 4:34 pm
    If everybody was packing, there is no doubt that some mass shooters would be stopped a lot sooner. Since grade school kids wouldn't be carrying, doubt the Sandy Hook guy would have been stopped much sooner from killing all those kids.

    But how many people would die from cross fire if everybody pulls their gat and starts blasting away at what they think is the shooter? How many of the people that carry guns can actually shoot straight - look at how poor shots the cops are during a crisis situations.

    But again, gun control isn't going to work in the states. It's too late for that. So sure, just let everybody carry wherever they want to and have at it. Just don't let those lunatics cross the border.

  13. by avatar BartSimpson  Gold Member
    Mon Oct 05, 2015 4:34 pm
    "Thanos" said
    I totally respect the US military. I have no respect for some poorly educated American cretin that thinks he has to collect a hundred firearms, and parade around with them in a place like Walmart, because Alex Jones or Wayne LaPierre has convinced said cretin that he has to do this to keep Obama at bay.


    A right that no one is willing to exercise is no longer a right.

  14. by Thanos
    Mon Oct 05, 2015 4:41 pm
    They interviewed the one guy, a military veteran at that, who said he had a gun of his own in the car. He didn't run for it and try to engage the shooter because (a) he didn't know where the bastard was anyway and (b) he didn't want to be the one that got shot by the SWAT team when they arrived.

    This entire "leap into action" scenario is a complete fantasy, being pushed by idiots who most likely never heard a shot fired in anger in their entire lives. And that's because all they deal in is fantasy. These things might work every once in a while, like the listed bar-room shootings, where one slightly less drunk person gets the drop on the other drunk who decides to flip out and start firing. Or the convenience store clerk that is able to draw in time and confront the armed robber. But these ones where someone's loaded up with five guns, a thousand rounds of ammo, and is wearing body armour as well? Nonsense. Complete and total nonsense.



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