Does the Koran allow wife-beating' Not if Muslims don't want it toReligion | 207684 hits | Mar 27 2:56 pm | Posted by: N_Fiddledog  Adherents must hold themselves responsible for interpreting the Koran�s modern conundrumsCommentsview comments in forum Page 1 You need to be a member of CKA and be logged into the site, to comment on news. |
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We have to support Moderates like this girl when the inevitable attacks on them begin from the Islamo-fascists within their culture.
The proplem is this one little chapter of abrogated Koranic verse is just the beginning.
It is not allowed in Canada, and our secular law is supreme.
If they can't live with that, the get the fuck out.
In Vatican Council II the attempt by Pope John was try to bring the RC more in line with current society, could not the same thing be done is Islam?
Could there be such a thing as an Islamic Version of Vatican Council II?
In Vatican Council II the attempt by Pope John was try to bring the RC more in line with current society, could not the same thing be done is Islam?
No central authority as with the pope, so no. Remember also that Islam is divided into sects just as Christianity is. The two main ones are still at war with each other - look at Syria now, bombings in Pakistan, etc. Muslim terror kills more Muslims than anybody else.
The Sikhs are pretty big on wife beating, tho I believe their book is silent on the matter. Seems some Christians also beat their wives.
Deuteronomy 7:1-2 When the Lord your God brings you into the land you are entering to possess and drives out before you many nations . . . then you must destroy them totally. Make no treaty with them, and show them no mercy.
20:10-17 When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace. If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be subject to forced labor and shall work for you. If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city. When the Lord your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it. As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. . . . This is how you are to treat all the cities that are at a distance from you and do not belong to the nations nearby.
However, in the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. Completely destroy them�the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites�as the Lord your God has commanded you.
Could there be such a thing as an Islamic Version of Vatican Council II?
In Vatican Council II the attempt by Pope John was try to bring the RC more in line with current society, could not the same thing be done is Islam?
Just to be clear, Vatican II did not change the bible. All sorts of horror shows in it too. Kill adulterers. OK to beat your slave as long as you don't kill them. etc. Kill girls that aren't' virgins if they're still living in their father's house.
There is a significant portion of Christians that treat the bible as the inerrant word of God - so for them, these should all be commandments to be followed.
Oh, and here's where ideas of holocaust and destroying your enemy come from - seems it's encouraged by the bible as long as God told you it's OK:
Deuteronomy 7:1-2 When the Lord your God brings you into the land you are entering to possess and drives out before you many nations . . . then you must destroy them totally. Make no treaty with them, and show them no mercy.
20:10-17 When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace. If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be subject to forced labor and shall work for you. If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city. When the Lord your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it. As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. . . . This is how you are to treat all the cities that are at a distance from you and do not belong to the nations nearby.
However, in the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. Completely destroy them�the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites�as the Lord your God has commanded you.
Have you heard of New Covenant theology? Basically the old testament get's re-examined after Christ takes the sins of man. For example with Deuteronomy Wikpedia describes it this way.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deuteronomy#Christianity
In general it's like this...
http://www.biblicalstudies.com/bstudy/h ... cs/nct.htm
I see it more simplistic. You go from some of the harsh unacceptable stuff in say Deuteronomy and Leviticus to 'suffer the little children to come unto me', or the 'meek shall inherit the earth', or 'turn the other cheek' and there's no discrepancy. It is an adaptation.
With Islam there's something similar called abrogation, but it goes in the other direction. You have the simple religious texts of Mohammed's Mecca period being abrogated by the later, violent urgings of the Pirate of Medina.
The girl in the OP appears to be advising what Christians might call exegesis or a critical re-examination of that last bit with an eye to adapting into the twenty-first century. Why are you against that?
In the meantime...rally tomorrow for anybody anywhere near England.