Yahu scares me almost as much as the Iranian President, both look oke they want to wipe each other off the map, which unfortunatly would include the rest of us as well.
"GreenTiger" said Yahu scares me almost as much as the Iranian President, both look oke they want to wipe each other off the map, which unfortunatly would include the rest of us as well.
Cant agree, GT.
If Iran launches a nuke, no one around to support them.
The Israelis as a first strike would not use nukes, rather a big hit like Iraq in .. 84 ?, to take out the reactors being built. And nothing happened after that.
Natranz should have been opened years ago. The Iranians won't, cause they know what happens 5 minutes after it goes on-line.
That is only punting the ball down the field. Israel has so many enemies they don't need a nation. A biological/chemical attack could obliterate several key Israeli population centers with the tunnels and a rocket attack there is no way for them to stop that type of attack.
At some point there is going to be a reckoning. Israel can not hold the entire region at nuclear gun point forever. The leaders of Hamas can be killed with smart bombs but they will just end up getting new members as long as Gaza is little more then an open air prison.
The constant terror that someone like Netanyahu depends upon for his political base will only drive further the brinkmanship of his realpolitik. No solution will come of this only more death.
"Scape" said That is only punting the ball down the field. Israel has so many enemies they don't need a nation. A biological/chemical attack could obliterate several key Israeli population centers with the tunnels and a rocket attack there is no way for them to stop that type of attack.
At some point there is going to be a reckoning. Israel can not hold the entire region at nuclear gun point forever. The leaders of Hamas can be killed with smart bombs but they will just end up getting new members as long as Gaza is little more then an open air prison.
The constant terror that someone like Netanyahu depends upon for his political base will only drive further the brinkmanship of his realpolitik. No solution will come of this only more death.
What other choice does Israel have? They meet new threats every day, you can't just meet a enemy with a gun with a rainbow and smile and expect him to play nice. Real-life is not like that. Every country has used threats, specificly nukes if they have them to warn off enemies and it usually works because nobody want's to get nuked. They also are pretty much always empty threats because nobody want's to start a nuke war. Would mean bad news for everybody.
They should keep there guns pointed in all directions, but also at the same time try and make peace and build up better relations with everybody around them. Turning there enemies to atleast neutral. I don't think they would ever be friends though.
Bacardi, Netanyahu is a hawk and to him the military is a hammer and every problem looks like a nail. You are absolute right that Israeli has the right to exist and in that the right of self defence but when you keep going to the same well for every problem that well dries up. Hamas has been legitimized by the attacks by Israel in January to the Arab world and dealing with them militarily has not defeated Hamas. Do you think if they just had one more week or month or year perhaps ten years that the situation would have been any different?
Hossein Shariatmadari, editor of the Iranian daily Kayhan, who is close to Iranian Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei, called to disobey the ban on supplying advanced weapons and ammunition to the Palestinians and the resistance movements. He described the elimination of Israel as a "sacred aspiration" that would purge the world of the sources of corruption.
The top U.N. nuclear proliferation official refused to take a position on whether Israel should exist as a Jewish state.
In an interview with the Washington Post published Sunday, Mohammed ElBaradei argued for establishing trust between the West and Iran, blaming both sides for inflaming rhetoric.
ElBaradei, who directs the International Atomic Energy Agency, likened a positive outcome to such talks to Japan, a country that runs the full nuclear technology cycle without international opprobrium, "because there is trust that this country is not aiming to develop nuclear weapons." The interviewer challenged him, noting that Japan does not advocate the destruction of another country, as Iran does with Israel.
"There have been a lot of offensive statements, frankly, on the part of Iran, although from what I understand, Iran wants a one-state solution -- not, as reported in the media, that Israel should be wiped off the map," ElBaradei responded.
That, the interviewer noted, would end Israel's status as a Jewish state.
"I'm not taking sides on that," ElBaradei replied.
"martin14" said Scape, in what way do you think Hamas has been legitimized ?
Hamas Leaders Meet Iranian Leaders as Rockets Explode in Israel
Hamas considers Israel�s blockade, which it claims damages Gaza�s economy, as a form of collective punishment against the Arab residents of Gaza. The group cites the blockade as one of its reasons for not renewing the ceasefire agreement with Israel in December, which prompted the Gaza war.
The blockade was in place before Hamas rose to power. Hamas was the response to that provocation. The Arab leaders would rather deal with Fatah, as their corruption makes them easier to control but that is also the reason why the people who have to live under their rule could no longer tolerate them and chose Hamas instead.
Yahu scares me almost as much as the Iranian President, both look oke they want to wipe each other off the map, which unfortunatly would include the rest of us as well.
Cant agree, GT.
If Iran launches a nuke, no one around to support them.
The Israelis as a first strike would not use nukes,
rather a big hit like Iraq in .. 84 ?,
to take out the reactors being built.
And nothing happened after that.
Natranz should have been opened years ago. The Iranians
won't, cause they know what happens 5 minutes after
it goes on-line.
At some point there is going to be a reckoning. Israel can not hold the entire region at nuclear gun point forever. The leaders of Hamas can be killed with smart bombs but they will just end up getting new members as long as Gaza is little more then an open air prison.
The constant terror that someone like Netanyahu depends upon for his political base will only drive further the brinkmanship of his realpolitik. No solution will come of this only more death.
That is only punting the ball down the field. Israel has so many enemies they don't need a nation. A biological/chemical attack could obliterate several key Israeli population centers with the tunnels and a rocket attack there is no way for them to stop that type of attack.
At some point there is going to be a reckoning. Israel can not hold the entire region at nuclear gun point forever. The leaders of Hamas can be killed with smart bombs but they will just end up getting new members as long as Gaza is little more then an open air prison.
The constant terror that someone like Netanyahu depends upon for his political base will only drive further the brinkmanship of his realpolitik. No solution will come of this only more death.
What other choice does Israel have? They meet new threats every day, you can't just meet a enemy with a gun with a rainbow and smile and expect him to play nice. Real-life is not like that. Every country has used threats, specificly nukes if they have them to warn off enemies and it usually works because nobody want's to get nuked. They also are pretty much always empty threats because nobody want's to start a nuke war. Would mean bad news for everybody.
They should keep there guns pointed in all directions, but also at the same time try and make peace and build up better relations with everybody around them. Turning there enemies to atleast neutral. I don't think they would ever be friends though.
and the killing goe`s on , no end in sight
as long as Hamas keeps lobbing rockets into Israel... nope.
Bibi is leading the polls, so we'll see about that in a week or so.
Perhaps there's spme final solution you have in mind?
Israel has been backed into using force because there's simply no room to negotiate when you're enemies want you dead.
Scape, in what way do you think Hamas has been legitimized ?
I must ask the same question, how has this conflict legitimized Hamas?
http://www.thememriblog.org/blog_personal/en/13365.htm
In an interview with the Washington Post published Sunday, Mohammed ElBaradei argued for establishing trust between the West and Iran, blaming both sides for inflaming rhetoric.
ElBaradei, who directs the International Atomic Energy Agency, likened a positive outcome to such talks to Japan, a country that runs the full nuclear technology cycle without international opprobrium, "because there is trust that this country is not aiming to develop nuclear weapons." The interviewer challenged him, noting that Japan does not advocate the destruction of another country, as Iran does with Israel.
"There have been a lot of offensive statements, frankly, on the part of Iran, although from what I understand, Iran wants a one-state solution -- not, as reported in the media, that Israel should be wiped off the map," ElBaradei responded.
That, the interviewer noted, would end Israel's status as a Jewish state.
"I'm not taking sides on that," ElBaradei replied.
Scape, in what way do you think Hamas has been legitimized ?
Hamas Leaders Meet Iranian Leaders as Rockets Explode in Israel
The blockade was in place before Hamas rose to power. Hamas was the response to that provocation. The Arab leaders would rather deal with Fatah, as their corruption makes them easier to control but that is also the reason why the people who have to live under their rule could no longer tolerate them and chose Hamas instead.
doesnt make Hamas any more legitimate in anyone's eyes.
They are still a bunch of terrorists, and should be taken out.
Ever heard of Rafah ?