Vatican stalling on secret files which could prove wartime Pope ignored Holocaust The Vatican appears to be dragging its feet over releasing secret files which could solve once and for all the question of whether a wartime Pope turned a blind eye to the HolocaustCommentsview comments in forum Page 1 You need to be a member of CKA and be logged into the site, to comment on news. |
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I'm sure could help out.
So what. The current one was involved in it, or at least knew about it like every other German.
The problem here is that the Catholic church was put in a rather tenious position, both in Germany and Italy. If they'd come out and decried the holocaust the Nazi's would have taken the Vatican and they would have ended up like most of the Catholic clergy in Germany who did.
So while it's somewhat understandable that they didn't speak out, they did help alot of escaped Jews to get to safe havens which in the long run was probably better than turning themselves into the largest group of martyrs since the roman era.
Now all that being said you've got to remember that the Church didn't play favorites and was instrumental in alot of the wanted Nazi's getting out of Europe too. Go figure.
It is not understandable they did not speak out. They were the people who were supposed to speak out more then anybody.
You sir are wrong on every single count.
Here's an opposite version of the history and whether you believe it or not, it has as much validity as your sources who claim the opposite.
The Pope secretly worked to save as many Jewish lives as possible from the Nazis, whose extermination campaign began its most intense phase only after the War had started. It is here that the anti-Catholics try to make their hay: Pius XII is charged either with cowardly silence or with outright support of the Nazi extermination of millions of Jews.
Much of the impetus to smear the Vatican regarding World War II came, appropriately enough, from a work of fiction�a stage play called The Deputy, written after the War by a little-known German Protestant playwright named Rolf Hochhuth.
So, your accusation that I'm wrong on all counts is meaningless since neither of us can actually prove our position.
Don't get me wrong. I agree that they should have taken a tougher stand, but like I said they were in an untenable position. Any of the Catholic clergy in Germany who spoke out were sent to concentration camps, so it was pretty much a foregone conclusion that would have happened in Occupied Italy.
Here's an opposite version of the history and whether you believe it or not, it has as much validity as your sources who claim the opposite.
The Pope secretly worked to save as many Jewish lives as possible from the Nazis, whose extermination campaign began its most intense phase only after the War had started. It is here that the anti-Catholics try to make their hay: Pius XII is charged either with cowardly silence or with outright support of the Nazi extermination of millions of Jews.
Much of the impetus to smear the Vatican regarding World War II came, appropriately enough, from a work of fiction�a stage play called The Deputy, written after the War by a little-known German Protestant playwright named Rolf Hochhuth.
So, your accusation that I'm wrong on all counts is meaningless since neither of us can actually prove our position.
The vatican was anti-semtic. While few understood the scope of hitlers hatred and final solution make no mistake the church had its hand in it. Hitler learned his hatred from the Vienese church he attended as a youth. His hatred did not spring from a vacumn.
Hitlers religion
The attempt by allied powers to excuse the catholic church and christianity
Make no mistake. Learn where that hatred came from.
Do not obsolve the church when it deserves no such treatment.
Don't get me wrong. I agree that they should have taken a tougher stand, but like I said they were in an untenable position. Any of the Catholic clergy in Germany who spoke out were sent to concentration camps, so it was pretty much a foregone conclusion that would have happened in Occupied Italy.
Here's an opposite version of the history and whether you believe it or not, it has as much validity as your sources who claim the opposite.
The Pope secretly worked to save as many Jewish lives as possible from the Nazis, whose extermination campaign began its most intense phase only after the War had started. It is here that the anti-Catholics try to make their hay: Pius XII is charged either with cowardly silence or with outright support of the Nazi extermination of millions of Jews.
Much of the impetus to smear the Vatican regarding World War II came, appropriately enough, from a work of fiction�a stage play called The Deputy, written after the War by a little-known German Protestant playwright named Rolf Hochhuth.
So, your accusation that I'm wrong on all counts is meaningless since neither of us can actually prove our position.
Not that, "http://www.catholic.com/library/how_pius_xii_protected_jews.asp" isn't an entirely bias-free site, but it's quite clear that Pius was primarily concerned with protecting Catholicism and while there's evidence that his efforts did help thousands of Jews, there's counter points that question why he stood silently by while Hungarian Jews, for instance, were displaced in 1944 - Rome was in Allied hands at the time, so a Nazi threat really wasn't to be feared.
At best his reputation, among secular academics, will remain murky.
In fact, this exactly what happened when the Church made comments about the brutality of the nazi programs in Holland and other areas. The Church could remain silent and assist Jews or it could condemn the Nazis and turn up the heat on the ovens so to speak. Life was none too comfortable for many of the Catholic clergy in German occupied areas too. Several thousand priests, bishops, nuns and monks were murdered by the Nazis. Christianity too, was seen as a Jewish taint, needing extermination, by the SS. It was to be tolerated and manipulated while useful to the reich and then eliminated.
Stalin too used the Russian Orthodox Church in a similar fashion. While the war was going on he used it as a tool to boost patriotism and morale, but once the conflict and external danger was gone, so too would the Church.
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jso ... sdef2.html