![]() Poilievre's 'jail, not bail' idea may not pass constitutional muster, experts sayLaw & Order | 486 hits | May 18 6:08 pm | Posted by: Scape Commentsview comments in forum Page 1 2 You need to be a member of CKA and be logged into the site, to comment on news. |
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It's a golden age to be a criminal, including a perpetually repeating violent offender. There is no doubt any more that nearly the entire court system, especially at the Supreme Court, have opted for an interpretation of the Charter that is so radical and extremist that it's come to the point where a beyond-guilty criminal is now part of a protected class of citizen that has extra rights. The mayhem, damage, and pain the criminals cause to both the individual victims and to the overall society aren't now just a mere annoyance to the judicial class. The harm being caused by these bastards is now completely irrelevant at all to the system. Just like with everything else in this society the right of the average non-criminal person to be safe or to receive justice has been wiped out altogether. Only the rights of the freaks & maniacs to destroy whatever & whoever they want to destroy matter anymore.
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Do you ever get tired of this tactic? That we'll automatically slide into some version of the gulag if the proven guilty and the proven to-be-dangerous don't receive an endless number of days in court with their innocence being obvious to anyone enlightened enough to see? If that's your version of enlightenment, that the streets be covered in blood and shit up to our knees rather than have an convicted criminal show that they're not a danger to the rest of us, then I'd rather be with the barbarians. At least the older rougher form of justice never got perverted by society-killing dilettantes who were doing their very best to destroy everything in order to pursue some pathetic utopia that could never last for a single day in reality.
People who've done nothing wrong shouldn't have to put up with this shit. And I'm sick and tired of the dream world solutions telling us that we have to be tolerant of this nonsense.
I was going to use "Cardassian" in place of "Russian" there, as the quote from Garrik was "why charge an innocent man?" when the Chief was charged on Cardassia. But Russia seemed more current. But my point holds. People have the right to be held innocent until proven guilty. If they are held without bail, then proved innocent, an innocent person was jailed for no good reason. We can't be like that.
Should some assholes spend more time in jail? Absolutely. Once they are found guilty. Polivere doesn't get that. You can't hold a guy in jail for a bar fight with no bail. He'll lose everything, and no one is better off.
My error. I'll try not to do it again. But Poilievre isn't the problem here. In fact on this issue he's entirely correct. The fucking hammer has to be taken out and smashed down hard on the worst of the offenders. Bail has to be taken away, period, from each and every offender who's committed any violence that caused them to be apprehended in the first place. What Poilievre is wrong about is the conservative side will choose an approach that is absolutely going to be rejected by the courts because it already has been on a hundred different occasions. That's what's wrong with these damn conservatives these days. On a critical issue they choose their usual stunt booking method, knowing full well they'll lose again. And nothing gets solved. The Liberals/NDP don't care - everything they've done since they were fully institutionally captured by social leftism decades ago has shown they don't give a damn at all about what gets destroyed or who gets hurt. And the Conservatives? Whatever. They've made themselves so damn unelectable on so many other issues, like the trucker crazies, that even the issues they're completely right about aren't enough reason to vote them in as a government.
We need at least a dozen large remand/prison facilities in this country that are capable of incarcerating at least 50000 criminals. That is the only solution. Left-wing bleating about "mass incarceration injustice" can no longer be the main priority on this. These scumbags need to be taken off the streets, period, and not allowed back out until they've been properly punished for what they've done. And if they refuse to be rehabilitated then they shouldn't be allowed out at all.
How can our so-called intelligentsia be so blind to this reality? Their demented and degenerate fantasies are getting people killed and they don't appear to care at all about it. And if the courts have already decided that bail is a Charter right no matter how hideous the crime that gets committed then every decent person remaining in this country has already lost.
It's the backlog that causes the streets to be flooded with repeat offenders because the small fry is not worth the time when there are bigger fish in the queue. Get more judges, not more jails.
You have a lot of radical viewpoints now that you didn't have in the past. Or ones that you didn't express in the past when CKA was more balanced and not as skewed towards the hard social revolution left the way it is now. That's why I assumed, mostly because this thread was concerned more with blasting Poilievre that it was in discussing the flaws in the bail reforms, that you were just working for the social "justice" side again.
I don't think that my views have really changed. Certainly not 'radical'. I know some of my views have changed, such as on same sex marriage. I have grown more accepting on my old age. I suppose that is my libertarian side. I don't have any business in other peoples happiness. I also don't see equality as a 'side'. That's sort of the point. We are equal, or we aren't.
I will totally blast PP if he thinks we aren't all equal, with certain rights, including the presumption of innocence.
With respect I disagree with going full tilt enabling act on criminals. The judiciary already has the tools required to deal with criminals, we just need to invest in a more robust judiciary so that people are not stuck in the courts on endless appeals for years at a time.
It's the backlog that causes the streets to be flooded with repeat offenders because the small fry is not worth the time when there are bigger fish in the queue. Get more judges, not more jails.
Exactly. The cuts to the legal system, cuts to legal aid, and insane rates for lawyers means people are no longer guaranteed a right to a fair trial. People plead guilty to things they didn't do, just so they can go home sooner. Its reprehensible.
And with the SCoC decision that trial should be swift, too many cases that should be tried end up being dismissed and the guilty go unpunished. And rightly so. Justice must be swift, and fair.