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Title: Rape can't exist within marriage, Muslim cleric says
Category: Religion
Posted By: Hyack
Date: 2010-10-15 19:25:31

[gonavy47]

welcome to Islam. The religion of equality and peace...unless you are a woman.

[ShepherdsDog]

That's par for the course, seeing that it is still considered acceptable to physically discipline your wife, amongst 'conservative' muslim societies.

[Freakinoldguy]

I'm glad to see common sense and logic are being used when dealing with crimes like this, Oh, sorry, I must have been thinking of another religion.

[KorbenDeck]

Ah how the feminist would be proud spending all those years fighting for women rights only to have the same people who supported women rights support religious laws in Britain. I guess that's the catch 22, women freeing themselves from the role of child-bearing but filling the void by bringing in people who share none of our values. Thus insuring that in another 50 years all the rights women won they lose.

[Thanos]

Not to defend the Muslims or anything, but this viewpoint isn't exactly uncommmon among certain alleged Christians either:

$1:

Could you clarify some of the statements that you made in Maine last year about martial rape?

I think that when you get married you have consented to sex. That's what marriage is all about, I don't know if maybe these girls missed sex ed. That doesn't mean the husband can beat you up, we have plenty of laws against assault and battery. If there is any violence or mistreatment that can be dealt with by criminal prosecution, by divorce or in various ways. When it gets down to calling it rape though, it isn't rape, it's a he said-she said where it's just too easy to lie about it.

Was the way in which your statement was portrayed correct?

Yes. Feminists, if they get tired of a husband or if they want to fight over child custody, they can make an accusation of marital rape and they want that to be there, available to them.

So you see this as more of a tool used by people to get out of marriages than as legitimate-

Yes, I certainly do.

For the unaware, Schafly isn't some TeaBircher noobie stepping her foot into it. She's a long-time social 'conservative' who's been a big force in the Republican kulturkampf dating as far back as the early Reagan years.

This sort of patriarchal primitivism is not unique to Islam. It infects all monotheistic religion and has a very nasty tendency to pop it's head out of the swamp with astonishing regularity.

[Dragom]

I'm uneasy about marriage being a legal contract at all.

Seriously, shared assets? Like that makes any sense when women work?

[ShepherdsDog]

Thanos Thanos:

Not to defend the Muslims or anything, but this viewpoint isn't exactly uncommmon among certain alleged Christians either:

$1:

Could you clarify some of the statements that you made in Maine last year about martial rape?

I think that when you get married you have consented to sex. That's what marriage is all about, I don't know if maybe these girls missed sex ed. That doesn't mean the husband can beat you up, we have plenty of laws against assault and battery. If there is any violence or mistreatment that can be dealt with by criminal prosecution, by divorce or in various ways. When it gets down to calling it rape though, it isn't rape, it's a he said-she said where it's just too easy to lie about it.

Was the way in which your statement was portrayed correct?

Yes. Feminists, if they get tired of a husband or if they want to fight over child custody, they can make an accusation of marital rape and they want that to be there, available to them.

So you see this as more of a tool used by people to get out of marriages than as legitimate-

Yes, I certainly do.

For the unaware, Schafly isn't some TeaBircher noobie stepping her foot into it. She's a long-time social 'conservative' who's been a big force in the Republican kulturkampf dating as far back as the early Reagan years.

This sort of patriarchal primitivism is not unique to Islam. It infects all monotheistic religion and has a very nasty tendency to pop it's head out of the swamp with astonishing regularity.

The people who think like that are in the minority and are usually ridiculed by the majority for having such antiquated thinking. As time goes by, one expects society to progress, not regress, as is the case with those cultures espousing sharia. It has no place in our society, and should be banned from Western nations. Our laws trump their cultural practices, and in our nations women are not chattel. Striking your wife is assault, forcing her to have sex is rape...marriage is a partnership of equals.

I don't buy into this different but equal cultural relativism BS. Some societies just are superior to others, and one that condones the abuse and rape of the female spouse is comparable to boot scraping after a walk in the barn.

[Yogi]

I didn't even finish reading this before the 'John & Greta Rideout case' came to mind.

Certainly, accusations of such can/have been levelled for the wrong reasons, but Rape is Rape, marriage or no!

[CanadianJeff]

You should look up ! Tim Chapter 2 if you want to see just a small sample of what Jesus would think on this matter.

Heck considering how rape would result in childbirth.....well I'll leave you to see the consequences of Jesus words seeing as how he didn't condemn rape anywhere in the bible.

You know if one were to make 10 commandments wouldn't you think to put that in there? Even murderers and thieves hate rapists.

[ShepherdsDog]

For the love of fucking Christ!! Aren't you capable of anything else? We all know that you have 'issues' with religion because you go on ad infinitum ad nauseum ad absurdum. Go see a therapist already if it's serious. The last time scholars checked, Jesus didn't write the Bible, and those who did lived between 2500 BC and AD 100 ...or was that not covered in sociology?

I love it how apologists always say, 'Well we did it too....in the past'. Exactly, in the past and we've learned to outgrow these backward ideas. The converse can't be said about other groups. Religion plays but a small part in our society, while in the case of the group being discussed, it is the foundation of their entire society. it governs every aspect of their lives.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

Actually, what this boils down to is, despite all the bitching from the various religions and races, they ALL have one thing in common. Women are the single largest group of ppl on the planet that suffer from prejudism, bigotry, hate, whatever you wanna call it. Islam may enshrine it, but despite all the laws we have over here, women are regularily treated like shit over here. White, Black, FN, Asian, Christian, Sikh, Muslim, Jew, ALL have horribly mistreated women and still do.

[martin14]

$1:

Sayeed said the revamped contract just serves "to make it exactly as the Western culture demands is as if we are compromising Islamic religion with secular non-Islamic values."

Integrate into my new country ? FUCK NOOOOOOO !! THE INFIDEL DOGS MUST BOW DOWN TO ME !!


This asshole should:

A.. Resign as Chief Idiot
B.. Be charged with incitement
C.. GTFO out of Britain, permanently

[EyeBrock]

martin14 martin14:

$1:

Sayeed said the revamped contract just serves "to make it exactly as the Western culture demands is as if we are compromising Islamic religion with secular non-Islamic values."

Integrate into my new country ? FUCK NOOOOOOO !! THE INFIDEL DOGS MUST BOW DOWN TO ME !!


This asshole should:

A.. Resign as Chief Idiot
B.. Be charged with incitement
C.. GTFO out of Britain, permanently

In impotent Britain, where the idiots have been in charge of mandated political correctness for 20 years, this guy will probably get a Knighthood.

[Brenda]

I am more shocked by the picture on the bottom left of the story than by the story itself...

I mean, seriously??? (got nothing to do with the story, just the "Photo of the day"...)