[Newsbot]

Title: Arctic security improvements recommended
Category: Misc CDN
Posted By: Hyack
Date: 2010-06-18 00:14:48
Canadian

[bootlegga]

$1:

The ships originally were to be delivered between 2012 and 2016, but the process seems to be in limbo since August 2008 when all bids received exceeded the amount budgeted, the committee noted.

Sigh...

[saturn_656]

bootlegga bootlegga:

$1:

The ships originally were to be delivered between 2012 and 2016, but the process seems to be in limbo since August 2008 when all bids received exceeded the amount budgeted, the committee noted.

Sigh...

I hope JSS gets tossed in the garbage bin of naval designs.

Much better to procure 2-3 dedicated AOR and 1-2 LHD type ships.

[bootlegga]

saturn_656 saturn_656:

bootlegga bootlegga:

$1:

The ships originally were to be delivered between 2012 and 2016, but the process seems to be in limbo since August 2008 when all bids received exceeded the amount budgeted, the committee noted.

Sigh...

I hope JSS gets tossed in the garbage bin of naval designs.

Much better to procure 2-3 dedicated AOR and 1-2 LHD type ships.

Yeah, well given that Harper is too cheap to spend $3.2 billion on the JSS, I can't imagine him spending even more on that either.

Frankly, I think the JSS is a good compromise for us.

[martin14]

bootlegga bootlegga:

$1:

The ships originally were to be delivered between 2012 and 2016, but the process seems to be in limbo since August 2008 when all bids received exceeded the amount budgeted, the committee noted.

Sigh...

For a change booty, agreed



That Committee is a joke. The recommendations are a joke.

New vessels need to proceed right away, and armed.
Put a ficking Bofurs 40mm on them ferchrissake.

People living in the North should be getting winter fighting training and equipment, along with the CF.

A decent radar system, and regularly publicized air patrols over our territory,
along with a whack of new ships for interception duties.

I mean, for the love of God, my father worked on the design of the
Louis St. Laurent.. she's getting old.


If we were Commies, we could establish whole populations of Canadians up there,
new towns, resource development, the works.

But I guess everyone needs to live in Toronto for some reason..

[saturn_656]

bootlegga bootlegga:

Yeah, well given that Harper is too cheap to spend $3.2 billion on the JSS, I can't imagine him spending even more on that either.

Frankly, I think the JSS is a good compromise for us.

No well deck, no full length flight deck.

You can just about write off any serious amphibious capability with that design.

It is a poor compromise.

[bootlegga]

saturn_656 saturn_656:

bootlegga bootlegga:

Yeah, well given that Harper is too cheap to spend $3.2 billion on the JSS, I can't imagine him spending even more on that either.

Frankly, I think the JSS is a good compromise for us.

No well deck, no full length flight deck.

You can just about write off any serious amphibious capability with that design.

It is a poor compromise.

It was never intended for use as an amphibious assault ship, it was intended for use as; an AOR, a command and control ship, a medical/dental facility, some ability to sealift ground units (transferring them in port, not at sea), with some added helo capability. Anyone using a ship loaded with ammo and fuel as an amphib would have to be insane.

No party (political or otherwise)has ever really shown that Canada really needs amphib capability, so why buy something that we don't have a need for? The amphib ship is just like the helo carrier, wishful thinking by navy admirals who want the same stuff as our NATO allies.

[saturn_656]

bootlegga bootlegga:

saturn_656 saturn_656:

bootlegga bootlegga:

Yeah, well given that Harper is too cheap to spend $3.2 billion on the JSS, I can't imagine him spending even more on that either.

Frankly, I think the JSS is a good compromise for us.

No well deck, no full length flight deck.

You can just about write off any serious amphibious capability with that design.

It is a poor compromise.

It was never intended for use as an amphibious assault ship, it was intended for use as; an AOR, a command and control ship, a medical/dental facility, some ability to sealift ground units (transferring them in port, not at sea), with some added helo capability. Anyone using a ship loaded with ammo and fuel as an amphib would have to be insane.

No party (political or otherwise)has ever really shown that Canada really needs amphib capability, so why buy something that we don't have a need for? The amphib ship is just like the helo carrier, wishful thinking by navy admirals who want the same stuff as our NATO allies.

If it wasn't intended to operate as an Amphib, then what does it carry LCVPs for?

[bootlegga]

saturn_656 saturn_656:

bootlegga bootlegga:

saturn_656 saturn_656:

No well deck, no full length flight deck.

You can just about write off any serious amphibious capability with that design.

It is a poor compromise.

It was never intended for use as an amphibious assault ship, it was intended for use as; an AOR, a command and control ship, a medical/dental facility, some ability to sealift ground units (transferring them in port, not at sea), with some added helo capability. Anyone using a ship loaded with ammo and fuel as an amphib would have to be insane.

No party (political or otherwise)has ever really shown that Canada really needs amphib capability, so why buy something that we don't have a need for? The amphib ship is just like the helo carrier, wishful thinking by navy admirals who want the same stuff as our NATO allies.

If it wasn't intended to operate as an Amphib, then what does it carry LCVPs for?

They were to be used for supporting forces ashore, not assault landings. The JSS was initially designed to replace the Protecteur class, and had a few capabilites added to them because of their large size.

It was never intended as an amphibious assault ship. Two LCVPs would land what, a platoon or two? What good would that do? If you wanted to insert a small force like that, the four Cyclones it carried would be a better option.

Like I said, who would be dumb enough to use a ship loaded with 1000+ tonnes of ammo and 10,000+ tonnes of fuel to launch an amphibious assault from? I would hope our admirals would be smarter than that...

[saturn_656]

bootlegga bootlegga:

They were to be used for supporting forces ashore, not assault landings. The JSS was initially designed to replace the Protecteur class, and had a few capabilites added to them because of their large size.

It was never intended as an amphibious assault ship. Two LCVPs would land what, a platoon or two? What good would that do? If you wanted to insert a small force like that, the four Cyclones it carried would be a better option.

Like I said, who would be dumb enough to use a ship loaded with 1000+ tonnes of ammo and 10,000+ tonnes of fuel to launch an amphibious assault from? I would hope our admirals would be smarter than that...

So you agree that the LCVPs are pointless deck ornaments on a ship with no real amphibious capability?

Why even bother? A couple ro-ro's could be bought for a heck of a lot less than the JSS.

[KorbenDeck]

Just buy some freaken nuclear subs. Russia is downsizing get those ones!

[saturn_656]

bootlegga bootlegga:

No party (political or otherwise)has ever really shown that Canada really needs amphib capability, so why buy something that we don't have a need for? The amphib ship is just like the helo carrier, wishful thinking by navy admirals who want the same stuff as our NATO allies.

Yeah, damn our military for wanting similar capabilities to our peers.

What are those ignoramuses thinking?

[DerbyX]

saturn_656 saturn_656:

bootlegga bootlegga:

No party (political or otherwise)has ever really shown that Canada really needs amphib capability, so why buy something that we don't have a need for? The amphib ship is just like the helo carrier, wishful thinking by navy admirals who want the same stuff as our NATO allies.

Yeah, damn our military for wanting similar capabilities to our peers.

What are those ignoramuses thinking?

That Canada doesn't actually have to pay for stuff using tax revenues?

[saturn_656]

DerbyX DerbyX:

saturn_656 saturn_656:

bootlegga bootlegga:

No party (political or otherwise)has ever really shown that Canada really needs amphib capability, so why buy something that we don't have a need for? The amphib ship is just like the helo carrier, wishful thinking by navy admirals who want the same stuff as our NATO allies.

Yeah, damn our military for wanting similar capabilities to our peers.

What are those ignoramuses thinking?

That Canada doesn't actually have to pay for stuff using tax revenues?

Amphibious assets are not "rich mans toys". Aussies just bought two, the Dutch have two, Spaniards have two or three.

Significant navies have these assets.

[bootlegga]

saturn_656 saturn_656:

bootlegga bootlegga:

They were to be used for supporting forces ashore, not assault landings. The JSS was initially designed to replace the Protecteur class, and had a few capabilites added to them because of their large size.

It was never intended as an amphibious assault ship. Two LCVPs would land what, a platoon or two? What good would that do? If you wanted to insert a small force like that, the four Cyclones it carried would be a better option.

Like I said, who would be dumb enough to use a ship loaded with 1000+ tonnes of ammo and 10,000+ tonnes of fuel to launch an amphibious assault from? I would hope our admirals would be smarter than that...

So you agree that the LCVPs are pointless deck ornaments on a ship with no real amphibious capability?

Why even bother? A couple ro-ro's could be bought for a heck of a lot less than the JSS.

JSS was going to have RO-RO and LO-Lo capability. That was the sealift I was talking about.