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Title: 'Christian warriors' group trained to battle Antichrist
Category: World
Posted By: Hyack
Date: 2010-04-02 22:43:26

[tritium]

The problem with these wackjobs is they think Obama is the anti-Christ, so they are extramly anti-Government.

Glad they put them away.

[sandorski]

"Trailer home"

Surprise.

[GreenTiger]

These folks need to be locked up in a mental hospital for the criminally insane with very high walls with armed guards.

They need intensive treatment medication, ECT and all that stuff.

[andyt]

Notice how the media doesn't use the word terrorists. I guess that's so Ann Coulter can claim all terrorists are Muslims. These people have the exact same motivation as the jihadists. As the US crumbles we'll probably see more and more of these wingers come out of the woodwork.

[gonavy47]

Too much bible reading. Try some periodicals for god's sake.

[N_Fiddledog]

$1:

"One is a registered Democrat, and the party affiliations of the rest could not be determined."

http://toledoblade.com/article/20100401/NEWS16/4010369

[xerxes]

That means nothing. These guys' politics were right of out of right-wing crazy land.

[N_Fiddledog]

So these Catholic guys who were pushing Bush as AntiChrist...

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m ... 108881880/

http://www.petitiononline.com/B6U6S6H/petition.html

They'd have to be left wing by your logic right?

Charlie Manson, and his followers (Squeaky Fromme, and the gang), would they be left wing?

Jihad Jane was praising Obama on her YouTube page.

"you have a good point there. soon Bush will be out of office & I cringe at what the choices are to be the next president, the only one I like in any way is Obama"

Does that mean she's now more a left wing terrorist, than a Jihadist?

I wonder what this is about...

$1:

DETROIT, Mich. (CBS/AP) The leader of the Southeast Michigan Volunteer Militia, Michael Lackomar, is distancing his organization from Hutaree, the Christian militia group that was the focus of multiple raids by the FBI Saturday, saying they are neither Christian nor a militia...

"This is a group that I would classify as neither a militia or a Christian group," Lackomar told CNN. "They're really a fringe group outside of anything we do. They're more of a private army or a terrorist organization or really just a criminal organization."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162- ... 04083.html

[andyt]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

So these Catholic guys who were pushing Bush as AntiChrist...

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m ... 108881880/

http://www.petitiononline.com/B6U6S6H/petition.html

They'd have to be left wing by your logic right?

Charlie Manson, and his followers (Squeaky Fromme, and the gang), would they be left wing?

Jihad Jane was praising Obama on her YouTube page.

"you have a good point there. soon Bush will be out of office & I cringe at what the choices are to be the next president, the only one I like in any way is Obama"

Does that mean she's now more a left wing terrorist, than a Jihadist?

I wonder what this is about...

$1:

DETROIT, Mich. (CBS/AP) The leader of the Southeast Michigan Volunteer Militia, Michael Lackomar, is distancing his organization from Hutaree, the Christian militia group that was the focus of multiple raids by the FBI Saturday, saying they are neither Christian nor a militia...

"This is a group that I would classify as neither a militia or a Christian group," Lackomar told CNN. "They're really a fringe group outside of anything we do. They're more of a private army or a terrorist organization or really just a criminal organization."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162- ... 04083.html

What's with this right wing, left wing crap - the people you mention are all religious nutbars. The catholics. if they're weren't violent weren't terrorists. No more than the evangelicals who use that sort of apocalyptic language but aren't acting on it.

Manson family - crazy little cult, don't see how you could classify them as either right or left. There wasn't any coherent belief system, just Mason tripping on his hate and influencing some weak people. To call him a left wing terrorist (such as say the IRA) is giving him way too much credit.

Jihad Jane and her recently arrested friend are under the sway of Islamic terrorists. Just lost women looking for an anchor, and a very heavy one found them. Just because she was also an American citizen and expressed a preference for one pres over a moron (as any right thinking American would) doesn't mean her motivation was left wing.

As for what the leader of another militia says, what does he know? If the Huttarrees are trying to bring about the apocalypse, that sounds pretty religious, ie Christian to me. As for their other motivation, they sound as libertarian as lots of other groups - ie right wing.

In general, since the right usually likes to portray the left as Godless commies, the right is going to have to wear the mantle of all the nut groups that are religiously inspired. 'Course if Yeshua ben Josef came back, the right would be vilifying him as a commie as well.

[Thanos]

Interesting article by a former evangelical about this very issue.

$1:

The Left Behind franchise holds out hope for the self-disenfranchised that at last everyone will know "we" were right and "they" were wrong. They'll know because Spaceship Jesus will come back and whisk us away, leaving everyone else to ponder just how very lost they are because they refused to say the words, "I accept Jesus as my personal savior" and join our side while there was still time! Even better: Jesus will kill all those smart-ass, Democrat-voting, overeducated people who have been mocking us!

All the folks in Michigan did was decide to start the killing a little early.

Knowingly or unknowingly, Jenkins and LaHaye cashed in on years of evangelical/fundamentalists' imagined victim-hood -- something that is now key to understanding the Tea Party movement.

I say imagined, because the born-agains had one of their very own, George W. Bush, in the White House for eight long, ruinous years and also dominated American politics for the better part of thirty years before that. Nevertheless, their sense of being a victimized minority is still very real -- and very marketable. Whether they were winning politically or not, they nurtured a mythology of persecution by the "other." Evangelical/fundamentalists believed that even though they were winning, somehow they had actually lost.

Most of that sense of lost battles is related to the so-called culture wars issues in which evangelical/fundamentalists did not fare so well, from the legalization of abortion to gay rights. But rather than admitting that they were often losing the arguments, or had come across as so mean (or plain dumb) that few outsiders wanted to be like them, they blamed everyone else, from the courts to organizations such as Planned Parenthood, the ACLU, the New York Times, and the "left-wing media." Just about any scapegoat would do to deny or disguise the simple fact that fewer Americans wanted to follow the evangelical/fundamentalist Church Ladies into their gloomy cave (and/or the never-never land of the Rapture) and park their brains there.

Seems fairly accurate to me. I've encountered too many of these self-righteous religious prats during my brief association with Reform Party membership back in the mid-90's to pretend that this sort of wackiness doesn't exist. Everyone's to blame but us. Please, Jeebus, kill them all for me!

(BTW the same sort of irresponsible idiocy is also manifesting itself in the current campaign by the Vatican in which the (probable Jew) media is out to get them. Obviously it was the childrens' fault for getting in the way of Father Felcher's genitals when he was all a-bother and vulnerable to the sexual manipulation altar boys and Sunday schoolers are so deviously capable of. Damn those little kids for being so sexy!)

[N_Fiddledog]

andyt andyt:

What's with this right wing, left wing crap - the people you mention are all religious nutbars.

Hang in there Andy, you're starting to get it. Here's a couple more.

Joe stack flew a plane into the IRS building in Austin Texas. Obama was in power. Stack was anti-government, and anti-tax. He was also anti-bush, and quoted Marx. So was he a right wing nutbar, or a left wing nutbar.

Amy Bishop walked into the University of Alabama Huntsville and shot 3 colleques dead. She was a professor. She was described by family as an obsessed Obama supporter. However there is no reason to think the shootings were ideologically motivated. Was she a left wing terrorist?

As usual the geniuses at South Park describe all this best in their recent classic "The Tale of Scrottie McBoogerballs". Check it out. It's the second one in Season 14.

http://allsp.com/

Hang on for the bit where the Republicans claim the book is anti-democrat, and the Democrats claim the book is anti-republican.

There...now do you see?

[andyt]

No, I'm sorry, but I still don't see what you're on about. Nobody is calling the Huttarees right wing terrorists, in fact the American media is being very careful not to use the word terrorist at all - don't want to offend all the fundies out there. But the Huttarees are rightwing terrorists - right wing as in liberatarian. So sorry, the right wing has got to carry this burden - both because of the Huttarees political and religious bent. Again, the right characterizes the left as Godless, so when people start terrorizing in his name, the rights going to have to accept them as their own.

There have been US left wing terrorists - the Weathermen say. And in Canada we had the Squamish 5, and I would guess the FLQ was left wing (who knows with those fruit bars, I'm sure they weren't right).

Stack may have quoted Marx, but he seemed to be motivated by the same cause as other Libertarians in the US, so I don't see him trying to further the establishment of a worker's paradise in his actions. He wasn't actually a terrorist - don't you need more than one to make a terrorist group? Are we going to call everybody with a grudge and delusions terrorists? Same with Amy Bishop.

But these Huttarees were an organized group. Very small, not well organized, but still. So I think they qualify as terrorists. As for left or right, I don't see that a very big factor in this case.

In fact you seem very obsessed with labeling terrorists left or right. Nobody else is.

[N_Fiddledog]

andyt andyt:

No, I'm sorry, but I still don't see what you're on about. Nobody is calling the Huttarees right wing terrorists,

I disagree. Somebody did, in this very thread.

$1:

"These guys' politics were right of out of right-wing crazy land"

Even you, connected them to Anne Coulter, and referred to them as "wingers". Which wing were you referring to, I wonder. I can guess.

We can agree that if they are found guilty of what they are charged of, they are terrorists.

[Thanos]

The vast preponderance of lethal political violence and domestic terrorism that has ever been committed in American history, ranging from the advent of the KKK thru to Timothy McVeigh, has always come from the far-Right and has almost always had extremist Christian overtones attached to it. This is historically and factually indisputable.