[Newsbot]

Title: Russia to Build New Ballistic-Missile Sub
Category: Military
Posted By: Scape
Date: 2009-10-12 03:11:58

[gonavy47]

And we disassembled our DEW system. Hard to keep an eye on our Russian "allies" now.

[EyeBrock]

The Russians will never be our allies. All they respect is strength.

Peace through superior fire power.

[OldChum]

Yep lets blow more money on killing one another. God one of these days we will do it .

[Canadian_Mind]

OldChum OldChum:

Yep lets blow more money on killing one another. God one of these days we will do it .

Someone will always survive.

[BartSimpson]

Russia is doing this to try to reassert themselves over their lost empire. Like they did their recent patrol off the US Atlantic coast with a couple of their best attack subs and the USA put out press releases to let the world know that we knew those subs were there.

Like back in the good old days, the Russians won't let that boomer out of the White Sea in order to prevent the waiting US attack subs from getting an acoustic profile of it. Let them spend their billions on a pointless decoration for a pier, it's fine with me.

[OldChum]

Yes showmanship is part of but if you test drive to long eventualy you gotta open it up.

[EyeBrock]

OldChum OldChum:

Yep lets blow more money on killing one another. God one of these days we will do it .

Or we could just let the bad guys walk in without a fight.

[Scape]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borei_class_submarine

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The launch of the first submarine of the class, the Yuriy Dolgorukiy, was scheduled for 2002 but was delayed because of budget constraints. The vessel was eventually rolled out of its construction hall on 15 April 2007 in a ceremony attended by many senior military and industrial personnel.[5][6] The Yuriy Dolgorukiy was the first strategic missile submarine to be launched in the seventeen years since the end of the Soviet era; in fact, it was the first Russian (rather than Soviet) vessel. Currently, there are two more Borei class submarines under construction, named Aleksandr Nevskiy and Vladimir Monomakh. The next submarine in the series, Svyatitel Nikolay is to be laid down in December 2009. The planned contingent of eight strategic submarines is expected to be commissioned within the next decade (five "Project 955" are planned for purchase through 2015[7])

These pack the new Topol M with a range of 10,500 km.

[bootlegga]

Big deal.

Those four subs (according to the article) won't come close to matching the USN fleet of SSBNs. Even if they do build eight as Wikipedia says, they still will be overmatched by the USN SLBM force. They operate 12 Ohio SSBNs, each with 24 Tridents, which are both much more accurate (and therefore more powerful) and much more capable than this new Russian sub. The Trident D-5s are capable of taking out hardened silos, while pretty much everyone else's SLBMs are only good for bases and cities.

http://www.navy.mil/navydata/fact_displ ... d=200&ct=4

The Russian Navy is a paper tiger, just like the PLA Navy.

[BartSimpson]

bootlegga bootlegga:

The Russian Navy is a....

...target-rich environment.

[Scape]

What is the purpose of a strategic missile submarine? As of July 2008, the Center for Arms Control Studies estimated the strength of the Russian strategic submarine fleet at one Typhoon class submarine (used to trial the R-30 Bulava missile), six Delta III and six Delta IV subs. Since then there are now two Typhoons and 1 in reserve but the fact remains that the bulk is still a Delta class a design that is over 40 years old.

These subs are white elephants and need to be replaced so the Russians have two choices here... either scrap the strategic missile submarine or bring in a new design. Looks like they have no intent in abandoning this capability and are looking to bring a new line of subs.

Each of these new subs will carry the new RSM-56 Bulava

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The Bulava is able to carry up to 6-10 MIRV warheads with a yield of 100-150 kT each.

So that could be a load between 9,600 Kt to 24,000 Kt a sub. When all 8 on line that could be 192,000 Kt. That's a lot of paper tiger and you can be certian if they are investing that much in the boomers that the attack subs will be 3 times their number for screening patrols. Things are going to get very crowded up north for us.

885 Yasen(Graney)

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In July 2006 the deputy chairman of the Military-Industrial Commission, Vladislav Putilin, stated that two Graney class submarines were to join the Russian Navy before 2015[4].

On July 24, 2009 the work on a second Graney submarine was started. On July 26 the Russian navy command announced that one multipurpose submarine would be laid down every year starting in 2011.

Project 885

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Under the Russian State Armaments Program for 2007-2015, the Navy will receive several dozen surface ships and submarines, including five Project 955 Borey nuclear-powered strategic ballistic missile submarines equipped with new Bulava-30 ballistic missiles, two Project 885 Yasen nuclear-powered multipurpose submarines, six Project 677 Lada diesel-electric submarines, three Project 22350 multipurpose frigates and five Project 20380 corvettes.

Russia’s Lada sub trials to be completed in 2009

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lada_class_submarine

[bootlegga]

I guess I should have said the Russian Navy is a shadow of their former selves (while the PLA Navy really is a short-ranged paper tiger). Back in the 80s, they had half a dozen major surface combatant groups, over 100 SSNs and dozens of SSBNs.

I know it sounds like a lot of firepower, but it's a small percentage of what they had in the 70s and 80s. They had far more nuke subs and boomers back than and they carried far more nukes. This is just the Russian Navy (and by extension, Russia itself), maintaining a capability they've had for decades.

I'd be far more worried if the plans were for 15, 20 or 30 of those subs, along with 100 SSNs.

[Scape]

What baffles me is why on earth would they name a sub after this:

[Scape]

bootlegga bootlegga:

I know it sounds like a lot of firepower, but it's a small percentage of what they had in the 70s and 80s. They had far more nuke subs and boomers back than and they carried far more nukes. This is just the Russian Navy (and by extension, Russia itself), maintaining a capability they've had for decades.

Yeah, but lets be honest here. A lot of those were rust bucket Kilo's, Juliett's and death traps like the K-19. They were not trying to top quality but overwhelm with quantity. Now they are taking their lessons and making a much better sub then before a single one of these new subs is worth far more operationally then a 100 Juliett subs.