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PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 5:13 am
 


Title: Smoking pot causes as much damage as tobacco: Study
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Date: 2009-08-06 00:01:27
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 5:13 am
 


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But marijuana advocate Marc Emery dismissed the study when contacted Wednesday night.


"Where is the proof of this DNA damage to Canadians? Are there mutations in the 15 million Canadians who have smoked marijuana in the last 45 years?" said publisher of Cannabis Culture Magazine in an e-mail to Canwest News Service.


Great! When Marc gets out of the slammer maybe he can get a job helping to rehabilitate the tobacco industy.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 7:06 am
 


While I don't discount this study right out I do wonder if they studied users that ingest or vaporize their pot? I'm sure that there would be some interesting counter findings. It is of course redundant information, if you inhale smok your going to do some level of damage to your lungs. Chronic Bronchitis is a far cry from Lung Cancer though.
One flaw in the study to me is the people that smoke pot exclusively compared to those that toke and smoke cigs.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 8:52 am
 


It is still smoke in he lungs so it makes sense.


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But even a heavy pot user only smokes a couple of joints per day. Most of the folkis I know smoke a couple of doobies on Friday or Saturday night. Cigarette smokers smoke 25-50 cigarettes every day. Not even Sid Barrett or Cheech and Chong ever smoked 25 joints in a day. There's more ambient carcinogenic shit in the atmosphere than you'd get from a couple of joints per week. I call "FAIL".


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 9:50 am
 


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But marijuana advocate Marc Emery dismissed the study when contacted Wednesday night.


"Where is the proof of this DNA damage to Canadians? Are there mutations in the 15 million Canadians who have smoked marijuana in the last 45 years?" said publisher of Cannabis Culture Magazine in an e-mail to Canwest News Service.


Great! When Marc gets out of the slammer maybe he can get a job helping to rehabilitate the tobacco industy.



I read that list of things that pot cures and it's right up their with snake oil. What a transparent joke. The same thing that damns tobacco is the same thing that damns pot, yet these folks who have a direct financial benefit are somehow to be trusted here?


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 9:54 am
 


I've seen this type of study come up from time to time.

There are a number of flaws to consider.

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Neither marijuana nor the main psychoactive component of the plant, THC, has been shown to cause cancer.

There are, however, substances in marijuana that can be very harmful to a person, according to previous studies on the drug.

Negative health effects induced by smoking marijuana, such as chronic bronchitis, have been well documented, as have other negative health effects.

A 2007 study from New Zealand, for example, examined the effects of cannabis on lung capacity. The results suggested that marijuana smoke compromised lung efficiency between 2.5 and five times more than tobacco smoke.


I've been smoking the stuff since the age of 17 and in the 12 years I've been smoking it, I never coughed up any green or black crap, I was never short of breath, I could do everything I always could do.

I just started smoking tobacco about three or four years ago and within a week of smoking tobacco I was coughing up piles of crap and I have noticed a slight change in my breathing patterns.

If I stop smoking tobacco for a week or two, like I have done in the past, my lungs clear up. I keep smoking pot, but there's nothing coming up, no weezy breathing, nothing.

Then I start back with the tobacco and guess what?

Second issue:

Other studies I have come accross that talk about more tar in weed, or whatever to make it worse then tobacco have never been clear on what they use as a source to gain this information.

Some say they study a comparison to cigarettes to joints, but let's look a little deeper into that shall we?

• A joint can consist of all weed, or a mix of tobacco and weed which most do to save money.
• Some people roll joints without any filter, while others, such as myself, use some rolled cardboard for some form of a filter. Nothing similar to the filters on cigarettes, thus more smoke passes through that's not filtered.
• Those joints with tobacco would have the same type of tobacco in regular cigarettes going into your lungs.... without a filter, thus obviously a joint would seem a hell of a lot worse.

What about Pipes? Lungs? Vaporizers?

Third point:

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^ As soon as one of these three guys dies off and it's found they died from long term pot use, I may take some of this seriously.

Since Willie Nelson is currently 76 years old, Chong 71 years old and Cheech is 63 years old and have a long history of smoking pot.... you'd think these guys would be laid up in a hospital bed by now hooked up to an iron lung based on these studies.

Instead, they're still doing what they love.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 07, 2009 10:39 pm
 


only few will get to be the George Burns of Marijuana. You take your chances.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 07, 2009 11:04 pm
 


Vaporizers are the way to go. You don't inhale ANY smoke, just pure THC. Waterbongs will help as well because it will cool the smoke somewhat but the vaporizer is your best bet.
They can cost a bit but they pay for themselves in no time :wink:

I've been smoking pot for 27 years now. Still no health problems associated with it.
And the "findings" about bronchitis are nothing new. There certainly is a link, but smokes ain't any different.
And ridenrain, I do agree that anyone that says pot can cure stuff is an idiot. HOWEVER, pot CAN be used to help alleviate symptoms, and be used as a replacement for some drug therapies. Frankly, every pharmaceutical out there carries far more health risks than pot ever will. Just listen at the end of all those drug commercials on TV. Include that with, long term use WILL cause liver and kidney damage.
27 years of smoking pot and my kidneys and liver are just fine.
When my ex-wife went to see a psychiatrist( she was diagnosed with bi-polar) she admitted that she smoked weed. When her psych asked her if it helped, and found out it did, her response blew me away. "Well if it's helping then keep smoking it. It's safer for you than anything I could prescribe."
And THAT is why pot will never be legalized in the US. Big pharma would lose big profits. If the US gov. was so concerned about people's health, they would just ban tobacco and quit trying to sell drugs on TV with alllll kinds of side effects, some may even cause death. And they don't even tell what half the fucking drugs are for!!!!
I find it funny that when BC bud hit the world stage, the W.H.O. sent their top drug addiction and research specialist to study this new superweed. His finding was the only health risk associated with stronger weed was, the actual smoking of it. He then went on to say those risks could be greatly reduced by use of a water pipe or vaporizer.
He was removed from his position. Big surprise considering the US is the primary funder OF the W.H.O.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2009 5:25 am
 


Wonder if the guy had been into pot? Maybe that's what caused his brain to seize up. 8O

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Police say man handed over bag of pot instead of driver's licence


A 58-year-old Windsor, Ont., man was allegedly caught driving and drinking two beers at once and then accidentally handing the police officer a bag of marijuana instead of his licence. "He started patting his pockets down looking for a wallet, couldn't find his wallet," said Sergeant Brett Corey yesterday. "So he reaches into the console ... grabs the bag of pot and hands it to the cop."

http://www.nationalpost.com/todays-pape ... id=1871798


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2009 5:34 am
 


leewgrant leewgrant:
Wonder if the guy had been into pot? Maybe that's what caused his brain to seize up. 8O

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Police say man handed over bag of pot instead of driver's licence


A 58-year-old Windsor, Ont., man was allegedly caught driving and drinking two beers at once and then accidentally handing the police officer a bag of marijuana instead of his licence. "He started patting his pockets down looking for a wallet, couldn't find his wallet," said Sergeant Brett Corey yesterday. "So he reaches into the console ... grabs the bag of pot and hands it to the cop."

http://www.nationalpost.com/todays-pape ... id=1871798



Who the hell keeps a baggy of pot in their glove box?


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2009 7:45 am
 


Better off keeping a box of doughnuts... Dumbass.


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leewgrant leewgrant:
Wonder if the guy had been into pot? Maybe that's what caused his brain to seize up. 8O

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Police say man handed over bag of pot instead of driver's licence


A 58-year-old Windsor, Ont., man was allegedly caught driving and drinking two beers at once and then accidentally handing the police officer a bag of marijuana instead of his licence. "He started patting his pockets down looking for a wallet, couldn't find his wallet," said Sergeant Brett Corey yesterday. "So he reaches into the console ... grabs the bag of pot and hands it to the cop."

http://www.nationalpost.com/todays-pape ... id=1871798


Oh of course it was pot that made him do that. We all know how alcohol increases IQ levels of drunk drivers :roll:


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2009 10:28 am
 


if you want to major in minor things


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 8:18 am
 


"Smoking pot causes as much damage as tobacco: Study"

Very deceptive. I'm sure pot smokers never had any doubt that the smoke they were putting into their lungs had to be at least as carcinogenic/damaging as cigarettes, however your average cigarette smoker is smoking 20 cigarettes a day, at 1 gram of tobacco per cigarette. Now my memory of pot smoking is a little dusty since it's been like 20 years since I've had a puff but I'm pretty sure that if you're smoking 20 grams of pot per day like a smoker does cigarettes that the threat of cancer is the least of your problems.


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