[Newsbot]

Title: China rules out sending troops to Afghanistan
Category: World
Posted By: Hyack
Date: 2008-11-18 21:28:18

[Bacardi4206]

Hmm, with China's war record and the publicity it get's for all the shit they do. Expecially selling Chinese copies of the Russian AK-47's all over Africa that this war would be right up there alley.

Kind of disapointed China isn't as big of a war monger as I thought they would be.

[ridenrain]

The one thing about China is they don't do something for nothing. All those decades of purges and class warfare have left them pretty indifferent to the suffering of others, especially those outside their own country. There's really no profit in them helping the west out in Afghanistan when the west is going to bitch at them for Tibet.

.. besides, their already working hard for the other side by supplying arms and ammo to all the losers in Africa.

[bootlegga]

Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:

Hmm, with China's war record and the publicity it get's for all the shit they do. Expecially selling Chinese copies of the Russian AK-47's all over Africa that this war would be right up there alley.

Kind of disapointed China isn't as big of a war monger as I thought they would be.

Despite all the right's claims of China and their plans of world domination, they simply don't have any. They fought border skirimshes with nations over disputed territory, but aren't expansionist or imperialistic in the fashion that the West was about 100 odd years ago. They need resources just like the superpowers during the Cold War, and that's why they support dictators and assholes in Africa, just like the US and USSR did. Hell, many Western companies still work hand in hand with African 'leaders' who are one step above being bandits or terrorists themselves.

China has a large Muslim minority in western China, which is why they support the war on terror. They have had car bombings and murders of officials/policemen just like the West by Islamic radicals. All sending troops into Afghanistan would do is make a bad situation worse. Besides, given their low tech and poor language skills, I don't see them meshing very well with Western forces. We'd probably wind up with more collateral damage than even the US causes.

[ridenrain]

While China was happy to stay in the backgound, the were definately instrumental in the war in Korea and Vietnam by sending materiel and personel. If you're only counting materiel, you might want to add Darfur and much of Africa to that list as well.

[bootlegga]

ridenrain ridenrain:

While China was happy to stay in the backgound, the were definately instrumental in the war in Korea and Vietnam by sending materiel and personel. If you're only counting materiel, you might want to add Darfur and much of Africa to that list as well.

Much like the US was in the background of conflicts all over central America, Africa and Asia, supporting either the government or anti-government rebels, like UNITA, the muhajahdeen, and the Contras.

[OPP]

China is discrete and not a clumsy fat elephant like the U.S. They'll conduct their business behind the scenes, giving "aid" to Afghanistan untill the country's stable enough for the pipeline to be built.

[BartSimpson]

bootlegga bootlegga:

China has a large Muslim minority in western China, which is why they support the war on terror. They have had car bombings and murders of officials/policemen just like the West by Islamic radicals.

Yep, and in 2006 the Chinese had an open revolt in the west and went into some city and killed about 40,000 people and the story got no traction at all in the Western media. The only reason I know about it is Al Jazeera.

[Thanos]

China deserves to be accused of a lot of things but being stupid isn't one of them. Not that I think that they should be emulated by others but they're obviously governed more by a sense of their own long-term interest rather than by the sound-bites that modern crusaderism depends on to justify meddling and intervention in other countries. Going Roman on Aghanistan and gunboat diplomcy-ing Al Qaeda and the Taliban to death would have been one thing, but promulgating patented insanity such as building democracy in Arab or Central Asian Muslim lands was something else altogether. It's too bad that to find dependable philosophical and political realism one now has to go to a place like China, as such a world view unfortunately disappeared altogether from the United States of the last eight years.

[ridenrain]

bootlegga bootlegga:

ridenrain ridenrain:

While China was happy to stay in the backgound, the were definately instrumental in the war in Korea and Vietnam by sending materiel and personel. If you're only counting materiel, you might want to add Darfur and much of Africa to that list as well.

Much like the US was in the background of conflicts all over central America, Africa and Asia, supporting either the government or anti-government rebels, like UNITA, the muhajahdeen, and the Contras.

The one major difference was that China was sending Chinese regular army troops directly into the fight instead of a smaller number of advisors that didn't directly fight.

[bootlegga]

ridenrain ridenrain:

bootlegga bootlegga:

ridenrain ridenrain:

While China was happy to stay in the backgound, the were definately instrumental in the war in Korea and Vietnam by sending materiel and personel. If you're only counting materiel, you might want to add Darfur and much of Africa to that list as well.

Much like the US was in the background of conflicts all over central America, Africa and Asia, supporting either the government or anti-government rebels, like UNITA, the muhajahdeen, and the Contras.

The one major difference was that China was sending Chinese regular army troops directly into the fight instead of a smaller number of advisors that didn't directly fight.

US soldiers didn't fight? Ever hear of Vietnam? Cuba? Iran? all places US soldiers fought...they also fought in plenty of other places, the only difference is they were special ops soldiers acting as training cadres, not rank and file troops guarding oil refineries.

In the end, it's essentially the same thing.

[RUEZ]

It's funny watching the lefties giving China the old ass slap.

[ridenrain]

Wow. isn't that a spun answer.
Either you're political bent is making you BS beyond all measure or you're willfully ignorant of history.

You panda-hugging, America-phobes make me laugh.

Chinese support in Korea:

$1:

During the wartime, 70 percent of the forces of the People's Liberation Army (PLA) were dispatched to Korea as the Chinese People's Volunteers (accumulated to 2.97 million), along with more than 600,000 civil workers.

http://big5.fmprc.gov.cn:89/gate/big5/n ... t31430.htm


Chinese support in Vietnam:

$1:

Thus, when senior North Vietnamese leaders, to include General Giap, formally requested Chinese military aid in April of 1965, the response would be swift and sure. The PRC President would tell the Vietnamese that the Chinese people and party were obligated to support the North and therefore “…we will do our best to provide you with whatever you need and whatever we have.” [49]
...
The PAVN had enough first class material to launch a 20 division mechanized Easter Offensive in 1972 into South Vietnam, more divisions than ever commanded by General Patton in Europe during World War II, as one American Officer would point out....
..
Both Vietnam Wars, from 1946-1975, ended in victory for North Vietnam against the west, but without the massive amounts of military aid provided by the PRC, most likely the outcome would have been different.

http://www.militaryhistoryonline.com/20 ... pport.aspx

maybe you can prove that the US sent in more folks into Central America, Africa or.. anywhere, considering the Chinese numbers.

[bootlegga]

ridenrain ridenrain:

Wow. isn't that a spun answer.
Either you're political bent is making you BS beyond all measure or you're willfully ignorant of history.

You panda-hugging, America-phobes make me laugh.

Chinese support in Korea:

$1:

During the wartime, 70 percent of the forces of the People's Liberation Army (PLA) were dispatched to Korea as the Chinese People's Volunteers (accumulated to 2.97 million), along with more than 600,000 civil workers.

http://big5.fmprc.gov.cn:89/gate/big5/n ... t31430.htm


Chinese support in Vietnam:

$1:

Thus, when senior North Vietnamese leaders, to include General Giap, formally requested Chinese military aid in April of 1965, the response would be swift and sure. The PRC President would tell the Vietnamese that the Chinese people and party were obligated to support the North and therefore “…we will do our best to provide you with whatever you need and whatever we have.” [49]
...
The PAVN had enough first class material to launch a 20 division mechanized Easter Offensive in 1972 into South Vietnam, more divisions than ever commanded by General Patton in Europe during World War II, as one American Officer would point out....
..
Both Vietnam Wars, from 1946-1975, ended in victory for North Vietnam against the west, but without the massive amounts of military aid provided by the PRC, most likely the outcome would have been different.

http://www.militaryhistoryonline.com/20 ... pport.aspx

maybe you can prove that the US sent in more folks into Central America, Africa or.. anywhere, considering the Chinese numbers.

What the hell does that prove?

Vietnam 'requested' American aid, and the US spent billions of dollars and 50,000+ lives in that country...what difference is that from North Vietnam requesting help from the Chinese? Oh, wait, it's not any different.

The only difference between China and the USA is the whether they openly admit to being there or not.

Remember Air America? They operated in SE Asia illegally for years under the CIA. Or how about Iran Contra? The cynic in me says that they didn't just dump weapons to the Contras in the hills, but rather US troops trained them, just like they trained the muhajadeen to fire Stingers in Afghanistan, or trained Savimbi's men to plant mines in Angola. While I don't have access to CIA files, there is plenty of reports of US covert actions throughout Central America during the Cold War. Their record in Africa isn't any better than China's current one either.

I find it incredibly hypocritical of you (but that's nothing new is it) to criticize China for the very same actions the US engaged in 2 decades ago. But then again, everything China does is evil and the US can do no wrong...

Keep drinking that kool-aid RR...

I'm not some America phobe or a panda lover either (although they are quite cute), but simply someone who is able to see both sides of the coin. You give the Yanks a pass for all the dirty trick BS they pull and criticize the Chinese for the exact same thing. I guess I shouldn't be all that surprised given that you freely admit you love bashing China.

[ridenrain]

Sorry.... I'm still not seeing that huge sphere of dominated states around the imperial jugernaught of George Bush.. unless you're counting Canada