[martin14]

i cant beleive this, but i'm going to agree with Derby.

Legalizing prostitution would help the women in the business cause
they would have a legal place to work from.

Or, working from home, no pimp at all.

Also access to medical checks,
and even the legal system if they need it.

Plus, we turn them into tax payers

fact is, making prostitution illegal hasnt stopped it, reality is nothing will.

There will always be men willing to pay, and women willing to do it.


It would not stop all illegal activity around it, but it would let
women in the business make better and more informed choices.

[ridenrain]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

If you read what the girl says she felt like after submitting to degrading acts you can see what damage it did to her psyche. Legalizing sexual abuse is what legalizing prostitution would be.

Exactly right.

commanderkai was also right in his statement that almost all women are forced into this by drugs or gangsters.
This isn't a lifestyle option, a career or even a legitimate occupation, it's abuse.

Sorry to say Martin14, but since you're usually on the side of the HA and other assorted organized crime elements, I can't say I'm suprised.

[romanP]

commanderkai commanderkai:

DerbyX DerbyX:

Tell me how it being illegal stops this? It doesn't. If it were legal then perhaps she would have went to the police earlier or perhaps they would have some kind of legal group looking after them and protecting them.

Exactly how does legality convince people of that? Alcohol is legal, and yet there are still victims of domestic abuse who will never come forward ever, or rapes that occurred when so and so was drunk. And there are groups that help prostitutes, many churches try to help girls like that to get help, without involving the police. I bet there are other groups, more official ones, that can help to.

It being illegal doesn't prevent it, but making it legal mainstreams it.

The difference is that if a prostitute goes to the police because she was abused, she'll likely be arrested. This is essentially the same as putting the blame for rape on the victim. If a person abused by an alcoholic goes to the police, they will get help.

[bootlegga]

romanP romanP:

The difference is that if a prostitute goes to the police because she was abused, she'll likely be arrested. This is essentially the same as putting the blame for rape on the victim. If a person abused by an alcoholic goes to the police, they will get help.

If it was legal, she would get help, not arrested.

[Brenda]

I agree with Derb, although that is nothing new.
Taking prostitution out of illegality makes it "a normal job", so men like this have less chance to get girls, because no business will take them, or accept that kind of behaviour. As a prostitute, you can go to your boss when you have a nasty client (black lists DO exist...), you do your job by rules, you are protected by law and you pay taxes.

I see NO problem in legalizing, but I do see a problem with guys like these, that will always exist. They will be easier to catch though, because the girls (and men...) that choose to be a prostitute will like their job, and will have chosen to be one. There are more people who are than you think.

Ever heard of prostitution from home?

[romanP]

commanderkai commanderkai:

Sure, there might be more organizations that might help prostitutes, but where, exactly, do you believe these prostitutes come from?

Poverty. Most women who sell their bodies on the street are women who come from broken homes and feel they have no other choice in life but to do just that.

$1:

an STD outbreak might just as easily stem from some prostitute whose's...patron condom was defective.

In existing legal brothels, the women have access to regular checkups and their own condoms so that things like that don't happen.

[romanP]

ridenrain ridenrain:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

If you read what the girl says she felt like after submitting to degrading acts you can see what damage it did to her psyche. Legalizing sexual abuse is what legalizing prostitution would be.

Exactly right.

commanderkai was also right in his statement that almost all women are forced into this by drugs or gangsters.

This happens with illegal prostitution because it's illegal and the prostitutes are forced to look to pimps and drug dealers for protection, since the police would just arrest them.

[romanP]

bootlegga bootlegga:

romanP romanP:

The difference is that if a prostitute goes to the police because she was abused, she'll likely be arrested. This is essentially the same as putting the blame for rape on the victim. If a person abused by an alcoholic goes to the police, they will get help.

If it was legal, she would get help, not arrested.

That was my point.

[ridenrain]

The very small number of woman who chose to do this for a living are unaffected by the legality and will continue reguardless of what we do. They are also not the problem. The problem is the ones who are forced into this and every step must be taken to prevent abuse like this from happening again.
The problem isn't so much the prostitution but the fact that it's a wealth generator for organized crime. Get the organized criminals and violent abuse of human rights out of the picture and it wouldn't be such a huge issue.

[bootlegga]

ridenrain ridenrain:

The very small number of woman who chose to do this for a living are unaffected by the legality and will continue reguardless of what we do. They are also not the problem. The problem is the ones who are forced into this and every step must be taken to prevent abuse like this from happening again.
The problem isn't so much the prostitution but the fact that it's a wealth generator for organized crime. Get the organized criminals and violent abuse of human rights out of the picture and it wouldn't be such a huge issue.

That's two reasons right there in support of legalization; crippling organizaed crime and protecting the women who aren't interested in a career in the sex trades. If a woman didn't want to under a legalizaed system, it would be very hard to force her, short of doing what this Haitian gangster already did (apparently it being illegal didn't deter him one bit).

[RUEZ]

Typical left, legalize everything they like, like hookers and blow. But take away things we like, like guns.

[ridenrain]

They didn't find this one poor, abused woman and you think women like her will be easier to find when we have 10x more women like her out on the streets? Prostitutes become faceless, nameless sex toys for money and this is acceptable within the charter of rights and within you're vision of Canada?

Make sure you and Derby put that in the next Federal red book.

[Brenda]

How come you guys think there are "few woman" who want that? How come you guys think "obviously everybody who works as a prostitute is either addicted or pimped"?

Hell, what a load of bullshit!
See for yourself in countries where it is legalized how many women are in the business for a couple of years, or make a career out of it, out of free will.

But hey, I guess the only right a woman has is clean the kitchen eh? Women like sex too, seriously... And some so much, they make their living with it.

[Brenda]

ridenrain ridenrain:

They didn't find this one poor, abused woman and you think women like her will be easier to find when we have 10x more women like her out on the streets? Prostitutes become faceless, nameless sex toys for money and this is acceptable within the charter of rights and within you're vision of Canada?

Make sure you and Derby put that in the next Federal red book.

No, they are not.
They pay taxes and are on a payroll, or registered as a business. Come on, is a plumber a faceless, nameless toy for fixing leakages and clogs?

[hwacker]

If you want legalization, move to Europe.

If you don't want to be treated like a POS get a real job.