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Title: Who's better for Canada? Obama or McCain?
Category: Misc CDN
Posted By: tritium
Date: 2008-06-22 15:06:53
Canadian

[sandorski]

The Author reaches too far. I didn't even know those personal details about Obama, I kinda doubt most Canadians do either.

It really boils down to the utter failure the Republicans have proven to be. Bush is at the top of that heap of failure, but the rest of the Party went right along with it and even added in some Fail of their own.

What the US needs first and foremost is Sane Policy. We know the affect of Fiscal mismanagement and are affected by the US Republican's inability to deliver on Fiscal discipline. Hell, they not only have failed Fiscally, they seem to not even recognize that it is an issue.

Obama offers a clear break ffrom the last 7.5 years of insanity.That alone makes him the better candidate for the US, but also for us.

[Tman1]

sandorski sandorski:

Bush is at the top of that heap of failure, but the rest of the Party went right along with it and even added in some Fail of their own.

American politics are different. Canadians like to blame the entire party for ones wrong doings because it is esentially the 'party platform' and Americans tend to blame the one single person for their actions instead of the party which in my mind makes more sense. Do you think everybody in the entire party agrees with the person in charge? I hope not. Why was the Republican party a failure? Wait, I know the answer, they produced George Bush. I agree, he is essentially the worst president in American history bit don't mistake the party for his own actions.
Like the democrats haven't had some 'failings' of their own 'Clintion impeachment' *cough*

$1:

What the US needs first and foremost is Sane Policy.

And you think Obama has that? Maybe, maybe not. Time will tell.

$1:

Obama offers a clear break ffrom the last 7.5 years of insanity.That alone makes him the better candidate for the US, but also for us.

Obama wants to re-negotiate NAFTA terms.....on HIS and the American terms with the mentality of 'we are better, bigger than you and we can do what we want attitude' that appears to have been missing since Bush's reign, while ignoring the fact that Canada is their major exporter of energy. Cain recently visited Canada and Obama seems to like the European Union more.

Better candidate? He might be a nice change of pace and it would seem weird for a Con gov in Canada alongside democrats in America. You might also forget Hilary Clintons declaration to "bomb Iran to hell" threat if elected and I thought democracts were all pussywillows....

[commanderkai]

sandorski sandorski:

The Author reaches too far. I didn't even know those personal details about Obama, I kinda doubt most Canadians do either.

It really boils down to the utter failure the Republicans have proven to be. Bush is at the top of that heap of failure, but the rest of the Party went right along with it and even added in some Fail of their own.

What the US needs first and foremost is Sane Policy. We know the affect of Fiscal mismanagement and are affected by the US Republican's inability to deliver on Fiscal discipline. Hell, they not only have failed Fiscally, they seem to not even recognize that it is an issue.

Obama offers a clear break ffrom the last 7.5 years of insanity.That alone makes him the better candidate for the US, but also for us.

That absolutely made no sense. First of all, if you don't even know Obama's personal details...how exactly would you know he'd be better for either Canada OR the USA?

Let's look at what you pointed out right now. Bush is a failure and so are the Republicans...okay? Why? "We know the affect of Fiscal mismanagement" You really believe Canadians give two shits about US fiscal policy? Americans sure, but two wars are expensive. Either way, Canada should worry about US trade and Foreign policy. McCain highlights that alot better than Obama for Canada. Obama's NAFTA comments should be a red flag to Canada, and outside of some issues, we really benefited from it.

Bush is unpopular now...so what? That is America's problem. Outside of the Iraq War, which has no effect on Canada, Afghanistan, which we volunteered to take part, Canada has not suffered under Bush, at least in my opinion.

[sandorski]

No, Bush is not to blame for the failure of the Republicans. The Republicans themselves acted like idiots, Bush just had his own idiotic things apart from the rest.

I realize that US/Canadian Politics are very different. Canadians are more likely to spread disdain from 1 Person to the whole Party he/she is associated with. That's mainly due to the difference in the Parliamentary system of Government. It takes a whole Party to form the Government and not just an individual. That difference doesn't really matter in this conversation though, as this is about who Canadians think would be the best President of the US.

Obama is a clear break from the Bush Admin. McCain is only somewhat of a break, he has certainly moved towards the Bush status quo the last year or so on many key issues. The status quo is a failure.

[sandorski]

commanderkai commanderkai:

sandorski sandorski:

The Author reaches too far. I didn't even know those personal details about Obama, I kinda doubt most Canadians do either.

It really boils down to the utter failure the Republicans have proven to be. Bush is at the top of that heap of failure, but the rest of the Party went right along with it and even added in some Fail of their own.

What the US needs first and foremost is Sane Policy. We know the affect of Fiscal mismanagement and are affected by the US Republican's inability to deliver on Fiscal discipline. Hell, they not only have failed Fiscally, they seem to not even recognize that it is an issue.

Obama offers a clear break ffrom the last 7.5 years of insanity.That alone makes him the better candidate for the US, but also for us.

That absolutely made no sense. First of all, if you don't even know Obama's personal details...how exactly would you know he'd be better for either Canada OR the USA?

Let's look at what you pointed out right now. Bush is a failure and so are the Republicans...okay? Why? "We know the affect of Fiscal mismanagement" You really believe Canadians give two shits about US fiscal policy? Americans sure, but two wars are expensive. Either way, Canada should worry about US trade and Foreign policy. McCain highlights that alot better than Obama for Canada. Obama's NAFTA comments should be a red flag to Canada, and outside of some issues, we really benefited from it.

Bush is unpopular now...so what? That is America's problem. Outside of the Iraq War, which has no effect on Canada, Afghanistan, which we volunteered to take part, Canada has not suffered under Bush, at least in my opinion.

When US Fiscal shenanigans affect the Canadian Economy, yes, we know about it.

Bush is the World's problem. Failure to see that is willfull blindness.

[Tman1]

sandorski sandorski:

No, Bush is not to blame for the failure of the Republicans. The Republicans themselves acted like idiots, Bush just had his own idiotic things apart from the rest.

How did the Republicans act like idiots? You mentioned that twice now. Bush like any other leader (or most elected officials) needs approval from their centre of state like parliament or Congress. He can't simpley 'act on his own'.

$1:

That's mainly due to the difference in the Parliamentary system of Government. It takes a whole Party to form the Government and not just an individual. That difference doesn't really matter in this conversation though, as this is about who Canadians think would be the best President of the US.

Actually it does make a difference. The people in America vote on who they want their party leader to be, in Canada we get Stephan Dion because of some idiots who want to rotate an english speaking person to a french one regardless of his political savvy or know how. Americans elect their senators, Canadians don't. Tell me the difference there.

Bush doesn't control everything and it does make a difference in this conversation because you are either confused or think Bush is a dictator with Roman Emperor like powers with a ghost senate who does nothing.

$1:

Obama is a clear break from the Bush Admin. McCain is only somewhat of a break, he has certainly moved towards the Bush status quo the last year or so on many key issues. The status quo is a failure.

Huh? McCain seems to have clear issues here. Where is Obama? Where is his stance on Canada? or did you just casually ignored his NAFTA stance which could very well impact this nation more than what Bush has or hasn't done.

[dog77_1999]

Alot of foreigners don't understand that just because you are in the same party doesn't mean you have the same views. It's really hard to understand because other countries divide their legislatures by total vote rather than districts. To paint a broad stroke about a party is generally not a good idea.

[Public_Domain]

Obama.

Clearly this writer does not realize that a lot of Canadians are avidly opposed to "Free Trade", or at least, the "free" trade we have now.

[sandorski]

Tman1 Tman1:

sandorski sandorski:

No, Bush is not to blame for the failure of the Republicans. The Republicans themselves acted like idiots, Bush just had his own idiotic things apart from the rest.

How did the Republicans act like idiots? You mentioned that twice now. Bush like any other leader (or most elected officials) needs approval from their centre of state like parliament or Congress. He can't simpley 'act on his own'.

$1:

That's mainly due to the difference in the Parliamentary system of Government. It takes a whole Party to form the Government and not just an individual. That difference doesn't really matter in this conversation though, as this is about who Canadians think would be the best President of the US.

Actually it does make a difference. The people in America vote on who they want their party leader to be, in Canada we get Stephan Dion because of some idiots who want to rotate an english speaking person to a french one regardless of his political savvy or know how. Americans elect their senators, Canadians don't. Tell me the difference there.

Bush doesn't control everything and it does make a difference in this conversation because you are either confused or think Bush is a dictator with Roman Emperor like powers with a ghost senate who does nothing.

$1:

Obama is a clear break from the Bush Admin. McCain is only somewhat of a break, he has certainly moved towards the Bush status quo the last year or so on many key issues. The status quo is a failure.

Huh? McCain seems to have clear issues here. Where is Obama? Where is his stance on Canada? or did you just casually ignored his NAFTA stance which could very well impact this nation more than what Bush has or hasn't done.

Canadians elect Party Leaders. How a particular Party chooses their Leader is up to them.

No, I don't think the US President is the Roman Emperor. However, Bush has acted pretty close to one and when the Republicans had the Senate and House Majority they pretty much gave Bush everything he wanted. In turn, Bush gave them pretty much everything they wanted even after threatening to Veto on occassion, which he never did until Democrats began sending things his way(as I recall).

The Canadian and US Senate are similar in name only. The Canadian Senate acts as a counter balance to the House of Commons. The US Senate acts as a counter balance to the President. In Canada only the House of Commons can initiate Laws, Budgets, and other things. The Canadian Senate merely Advises, Recommends, or in the rare case rejects what the House has sent them. In the US all 3 branches(I'm 50% sure the House does) have the Power to initiate various forms of Legislation.

NAFTA is only 1 issue of concern to Canadians and as such it alone doesn't address who is best for Canada. Even without that, we Canadians are already being affected negatively due to poor Fiscal and Economic Management by the US. That in itself makes McCain a poor choice as his Fiscal Agenda includes carrying on the Bush fiasco, but not only that, he proposes even more Spending than Obama. At best Obama's comments about NAFTA are vague and really don't mean anything right now. There are many Canadians who would welcome renogotiation and many others who would welcome a total scrapping of it.

Then there is the issue(s) of Foreign Policy. McCain wants to continue the Iraq fiasco, while Obama wants to end it. McCain's policy will continue to make Afghanistan a secondary concern, while Obama wants to make it a primary concern. These differences do affect Canadians.

[hwacker]

Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:

Obama.

Clearly this writer does not realize that a lot of Canadians are avidly opposed to "Free Trade", or at least, the "free" trade we have now.

Yes the ones that don't have a job and live in the parents house.


Barry wants to keep jobs in the USA.

[sandorski]

dog77_1999 dog77_1999:

Alot of foreigners don't understand that just because you are in the same party doesn't mean you have the same views. It's really hard to understand because other countries divide their legislatures by total vote rather than districts. To paint a broad stroke about a party is generally not a good idea.

Most of us are quite aware of this. We see it all the time in our own Party's.

[Stop_Veruca_Salt]

Mc Bush still wants to keep poking the bee's nest out in the middle east which will inevitably start a chain reaction of a catastrophic war. And you think the cost of oil is high now.....As for Obama, he seems like a fresh start compared to the same old same old. But he favours to much of the nanny state ideals and with the dollar over inflated as it is it may just prove to be more of a burden on society, as if the burden is not big enough now.
Either way you look at it the U.S. is heading out in uncharted waters. Their spending and income ratio is not sustainable especially with an ageing population..
Regarding NAFTA it has done more good for this country than bad. The ones loosing their jobs, like in the manufacturing industry would differ on that opinion. But then again many of them probably would not have had that job in the first place..
Neither presidential candidate would be beneficial to this country...
Canada needs to start looking to Asia. There is a population that is in the billions out there that is not far from transitioning into a middle class income. They are gonna want to have all the niceties of life that we have grown accustomed to. Not to mention being able to eat some real food...

[Scape]

The REAL McCain


Somehow I think John has some problems. Btw what is his position on Rachel K. Paulose? The people who have talked to in the US who follow politics say they are mad as hell about this. To me that sounds like the sleeper issue of the election:

[bootlegga]

sandorski sandorski:

Canadians elect Party Leaders. How a particular Party chooses their Leader is up to them.

Canadians do NOT elect party leaders. Parties elect party leaders. If you are not a card-carrying Liberal, you do not get to vote for who the next leader is. Same for the NDP, Conservatives and every other political party in Canada (well maybe except for the Rhinos who elect him/her by flipping a coin or having a pissing contest).

Come election time, we can't vote on a leader either, only a party representative in your area.