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Title: Soaring gas prices getting Canadians down
Category: Misc CDN
Posted By: tritium
Date: 2008-06-14 04:15:39
Canadian

[RUEZ]

Are people just stupid or what? They abhor high gas prices, even calling for government to lower gas taxes, but according to this article 72% of Canadians think a carbon tax is a good step?

[tritium]

Actually in a way I think the High Gas prices are good. It is starting to make people use alternative methods of transportation.

I think people and companies will start to seriously look towards alternate fuel sources as public demand requires it.

Why can't Canada or the United States have a simular program as Brazil and become energry self-sufficient.
http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/04/10/news/ethanol.php

I would also like to see Canada build more refineries IN CANADA and quit exporting our oil state side and buying back the gasoline.

[Canadaka]

$1:

Actually in a way I think the High Gas prices are good. It is starting to make people use alternative methods of transportation.

I agree

$1:

I would also like to see Canada build more refineries IN CANADA and quit exporting our oil state side and buying back the gasoline.

I've never understood why we don't have our own refining capacity, we shouldn't be at the mercy of the international oil market, OPEC and wallstreet. If only Trudeau was able to push through the NEP

I guess it would be good for lower gas prices but its counter to your first point, we wouldn't be motivated to switch if our gas was still 70Cents.

[RUEZ]

Being happy about gas prices going up to conserve fuel, is like being happy food prices are going up so fat people will eat less.

[tritium]

RUEZ RUEZ:

Being happy about gas prices going up to conserve fuel, is like being happy food prices are going up so fat people will eat less.

Nice to see that your now on a diet.

[RUEZ]

tritium tritium:

RUEZ RUEZ:

Being happy about gas prices going up to conserve fuel, is like being happy food prices are going up so fat people will eat less.

Nice to see that your now on a diet.

ooh harsh.

[mtbr]

RUEZ RUEZ:

Are people just stupid or what? They abhor high gas prices, even calling for government to lower gas taxes, but according to this article 72% of Canadians think a carbon tax is a good step?

"Pembina Institute found 72 per cent of Canadians deemed it a positive step."


according to Pembina oh they have no agenda .I,m surprised they didn't word the questions so they could get it up to 90%. Politically motivated BS and lies.

[dino_bobba_renno]

Canadaka Canadaka:

I've never understood why we don't have our own refining capacity, we shouldn't be at the mercy of the international oil market, OPEC and wallstreet.

We have plenty of renfining capacity. It's simply easier and cheaper to ship raw product through piplines to markets where there is a demand for them as opposed to shipping the refined products by trucks.

[RUEZ]

dino_bobba_renno dino_bobba_renno:

Canadaka Canadaka:

I've never understood why we don't have our own refining capacity, we shouldn't be at the mercy of the international oil market, OPEC and wallstreet.

We have plenty of renfining capacity. It's simply easier and cheaper to ship raw product through piplines to markets where there is a demand for them as opposed to shipping the refined products by trucks.

The problem is we ship crude down, it get's refined into gasoline and shipped back to us. We need to refine more here.

[DerbyX]

RUEZ RUEZ:

dino_bobba_renno dino_bobba_renno:

Canadaka Canadaka:

I've never understood why we don't have our own refining capacity, we shouldn't be at the mercy of the international oil market, OPEC and wallstreet.

We have plenty of renfining capacity. It's simply easier and cheaper to ship raw product through piplines to markets where there is a demand for them as opposed to shipping the refined products by trucks.

The problem is we ship crude down, it get's refined into gasoline and shipped back to us. We need to refine more here.

Ziggy has posted about this alot. We are increasing our refining capacity.

In addition, Dino, I think its cheaper to ship refined product. The US buys ready to use gas in large quantities at cheaper prices because refining happens near extraction sites meaning less crude transport costs.

Win-win.

[Pyra_cantha]

I think the reason the gas prices are so high now is cuz the gas companies are thinking
"hahahahahaha you cant stop us now!!!!!"

[dino_bobba_renno]

DerbyX DerbyX:

Ziggy has posted about this alot. We are increasing our refining capacity.

In addition, Dino, I think its cheaper to ship refined product. The US buys ready to use gas in large quantities at cheaper prices because refining happens near extraction sites meaning less crude transport costs.

Win-win.

Well your wrong Derb, it isn't cheaper to ship refined products overland that’s why we don't do it. The way it works is you build a pipeline from the source of supply to an area of demand, Chicago is a good example. At that point it is refined into gas, diesel, polyethylene, propane, O2, natural gas and ect.. One pipeline as opposed to .. up to 20 or 30 (because there are hundreds of products created from raw crude). Not to mention you can't ship many of the products through pipelines such as gasoline, diesel, polyethylene, O2 (not great distances anyways due to safety and regulatory limits) and well pretty much 80% of the materials that are refined.

Now if we had to refine those bi-products here in Alberta and truck them down to Chicago you can imagine the bill. Gas down there would cost close $10 to $20 bucks a liter by the time it was finished. That's why we ship raw crude.

Canada has refineries in every province except Manitoba and PEI (and the NWT for obvious reasons). Refineries are no small business, they are huge plants that require hundreds of people to run and that’s why we don't have an excess amount of them. Simply put, a refinery running at 60% capacity would go broke in a matter of months.

It would be great if e could increase the amount of refining here in Canada and then ship the finished products down to the states through pipelines but like I mentioned it just isn't possable. Oh, and by the way, yes it's true some of the fuel you buy is from the states particullary in southern regions where the distance to the US refinery is closer to the point of sale but the vast majority of gas you and I buy is made right here in Canada.

[Benoit]

Soaring gas prices getting Canadians slow down.

[RUEZ]

Benoit Benoit:

Soaring gas prices getting Canadians slow down.

Enough already.