[DrCaleb]

stratos stratos:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

No, it's your softwood industry insisting the way we've always done business is unfair because it's not the way they do business, and getting teir paid congressmen to put tariffs on our products.

We've tried many times in the last 200 years to fix the problem, but the US softwood industry is always spiking the log.

And the Crown owns the land because it's Crown land. Crown = Federal in our system. You have Federal land, don't you?

Yes but we don't do all of our lumbering on just Federal land. Look it comes down to this if you don't want to do business with someone don't. If you don't like the rules of the game change them or find someone else to play with. Hell get into a tariff war with the USA about this.

We do lumber on Crown land, because any land that isn't privately owned, is Crown land.

Read the history before you go throwing accusations around:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada%E2 ... er_dispute

[stratos]

didn't say you didn't you stated that the crown taxes you to do it. That only private land owners are making money. Seems you are saying the Crown tax is hurting the millers. Yet the States are who you blame.

[DrCaleb]

stratos stratos:

didn't say you didn't you stated that the crown taxes you to do it. That only private land owners are making money. Seems you are saying the Crown tax is hurting the millers. Yet the States are who you blame.

No, the US softwood producers claim that Crown Stumpage fees are the equivalent of a reduced rate on harvesting trees, compared to the US system and that makes Canadian softwood 'subsidized' under US definition and subject to US tariffs. Unless it's raw logs, then no tariffs. So they get the work in their mills.

But every NAFTA and WTO panel judgement has gone against the US tariffs, and for the Canadian system of Stumpage fees.

So claiming we don't like the rules or should negotiate deals is hilarious, considering they are your rules and we negotiate deals all the time. The history shows that.

[herbie]

$1:

Can you clarify it some for me.

When you own a sawmill, you normally have harvesting rights nearby in that forest district. Used to be this thing called appurtenance, meaning you cut the trees you mill the trees in the same area. It was ended because the USA screamed like that was communist and ended it trying to appease them. Didn't help.
So to use a local example the biggest mill here shut down, their multi-mill company was failing. Got bought out by another and they "promised" the town they'd build a newer modern mill within 3 years.
In the mean time, they're cutting the trees and shipping them to their other mill a couple hundred miles away. Because they CAN, and it makes money. So obviously there's just a promise to reopen the mill here, they can make money without one.
Exact thing happened with what used to be the 3rd mill here. Now the logs go a couple hundred miles to another of that company's mills where they square the edges off. So they fit in containers better and those logs get shipped to Japan-Korea-China.
As for your mention of Crown lands, BC is over 940,000 km2... mostly just goddam trees. You can buy it if you want, lots of people and companies do or even get a "tree farm" license.
I used to have a little 5 acre hobby farm about 30 years back and sold a load and a half of trees for about $15000 to a local mill. Prices aren't that high these days. Poplar is big now, there's incentives to clear land for farming still on the books and a demand for poplar chips so you can make money two ways!
The griping is because there's nothing but small towns in an area bigger than California, no other jobs, and even if you got retrained and managed to sell your house it wouldn't even be a down payment in the main cities.

[CharlesAnthony]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

CharlesAnthony CharlesAnthony:

Cartoon Dioxide!

Ha!!! I'm going to use that one!!!

By all means! Everybody should!

Most of all the "science" pushed through popular media is a degree of separation away from cartoons.