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PostPosted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 11:55 am
 


Title: Turkey may be held responsible for war crimes over executions in Syria, UN warns
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Posted By: N_Fiddledog
Date: 2019-10-15 16:35:17
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This isn�t the first time Turks have massacres people.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 12:05 pm
 


GreenTiger GreenTiger:
This isn�t the first time Turks have massacres people.


Or as Cenk Uygur of the Young Turks would say:

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But he has an Armenian co-host to tell us all is forgiven on that one, so I guess we should all just move along. Image


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 12:14 pm
 


Kind of interesting that you'd bring up the Armenian genocide by the Turks when you're basically playing nothingburger about the ethnic cleansing the Turks are doing right now against the Kurds. :?


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 12:52 pm
 


Thanos Thanos:
Kind of interesting that you'd bring up the Armenian genocide by the Turks when you're basically playing nothingburger about the ethnic cleansing the Turks are doing right now against the Kurds. :?


You're comparing the few hundred who may have died in the border skirmishes along the Syrian border to the Armenian Genocide, are you?

Too bad Trump wasn't around during the days of the real "Young Turks." Maybe he could have negotiated a cease fire there too. Would've saved a lot of lives.

I'll bet there's Armenians around who would've preferred a couple hundred soldiers, the odd politician and a scattering of assorted casualties of war to the 1.5 million of their relatives who were butchered during the Armenian genocide.

BTW...not necessarily relevant but this might interest you:

Kurds in Turkey atone for their role in the Armenian genocide


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So, as long as MAGA wins it's OK. You are reliably consistent if nothing else.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 1:21 pm
 


Sorry Bud. Can't ignore reality for you. The border skirmishes between Turkey and the YPG can't be compared to the Armenian genocide. Other than if you remove the Armenians from the equation the same groups were involved. Although I guess you could say the Turks were being dicks then and they're being dicks now. Just not in the same universe of dickhood as the Armenian genocide. Just not the same thing.

Luckily the Kurds had somebody to negotiate for them in this one to stop any kind of potential genocide.


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Yes, they were very fortunate that the cretin who betrayed them stepped up for them a week later to manage a bogus ceasefire that the Turks broke within minutes of agreeing to it.

Putin's Russia, the mullah's Iran, and Assad's Syria are all more reliable and honourable now than the United States is under Trump and the bootlick GOP.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 1:34 pm
 


Thanos Thanos:
So, as long as MAGA wins it's OK. You are reliably consistent if nothing else.

But not consistently reliable. :wink:


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Reliability, or basic decency, isn't something that the hard right has ever been noted for anyway. :|

Turks take page from America's playbook in Central America and Iraq, outsource killings of Kurds to murderous militia thugs:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/syria-turkey-1.5328109

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Souad Mohammed sat in her dead daughter's bedroom in the home they shared in the Syrian town of Derik in the northeastern corner of the Kurdish enclave known as Rojava.

She was sifting through the chapters of her daughter's life, turning the pages of a small photo album open on the bed in front of her.

When she came to what looked like a graduation photo she stopped and pointed to her daughter's long dark hair. Her killers had pulled that same hair so hard, she said, that it had come away with bits of her scalp.

Hevrin Khalaf is the Kurdish politician who was brutally murdered on a stretch of the M4 highway on Oct. 12 when suspected members of a Syrian rebel militia linked to Turkey stopped her car, dragged her from it and killed her.

Her driver and another passenger in the car were also killed.

It was just four days days after Turkey had launched its incursion into Northern Syria to create what it calls a "safe-zone" along its southern border.

"They could not even show her body to me," said her mother. "There was not any part of it without bullets."

Khalaf's execution-style killing cast an immediate spotlight on the militias unleashed by Turkey as proxy ground forces and the nature of those fighters.

"Turkey is responsible for the actions of the Syrian armed groups it supports, arms and directs," said Amnesty International in a statement.

"Turkey cannot evade responsibility by outsourcing war crimes to armed groups," it said.

Amnesty launched an investigation into Khalaf's death and laid blame for it at the feet of an Islamist group called Ahrar al-Sharqiya, one of the groups fighting under a Turkish-backed coalition calling itself the Syrian National Army.


So the Turks, and Trump, are in favour of Islamist groups knocking the Kurds into line. If they're on the side of groups like that then what was the point at all in fighting against the Islamists in ISIS and Al Qaeda? :?


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 4:40 pm
 


Ignoring massacres has quietly been a us policy since the Vietnam and likely one of it's high points was the Rwandan Genocide. So to start saying that Trump is despicable for doing the same as other administrations means people have raised the bar based on partisanship while failing to remember past failures.


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US chose to ignore Rwandan genocide

Classified papers show Clinton was aware of 'final solution' to eliminate Tutsis

President Bill Clinton's administration knew Rwanda was being engulfed by genocide in April 1994 but buried the information to justify its inaction, according to classified documents made available for the first time.
Senior officials privately used the word genocide within 16 days of the start of the killings, but chose not to do so publicly because the president had already decided not to intervene.

Intelligence reports obtained using the US Freedom of Information Act show the cabinet and almost certainly the president had been told of a planned "final solution to eliminate all Tutsis" before the slaughter reached its peak.

It took Hutu death squads three months from April 6 to murder an estimated 800,000 Tutsis and moderate Hutus and at each stage accurate, detailed reports were reaching Washington's top policymakers.

The documents undermine claims by Mr Clinton and his senior officials that they did not fully appreciate the scale and speed of the killings.

"It's powerful proof that they knew," said Alison des Forges, a Human Rights Watch researcher and authority on the genocide.

The National Security Archive, an independent non-governmental research institute based in Washington DC, went to court to obtain the material.

It discovered that the CIA's national intelligence daily, a secret briefing circulated to Mr Clinton, the then vice-president, Al Gore, and hundreds of senior officials, included almost daily reports on Rwanda. One, dated April 23, said rebels would continue fighting to "stop the genocide, which ... is spreading south".

Three days later the state department's intelligence briefing for former secretary of state Warren Christopher and other officials noted "genocide and partition" and reported declarations of a "final solution to eliminate all Tutsis".

However, the administration did not publicly use the word genocide until May 25 and even then diluted its impact by saying "acts of genocide".

Ms Des Forges said: "They feared this word would generate public opinion which would demand some sort of action and they didn't want to act. It was a very pragmatic determination."

The administration did not want to repeat the fiasco of US intervention in Somalia, where US troops became sucked into fighting. It also felt the US had no interests in Rwanda, a small central African country with no minerals or strategic value.

William Ferroggiaro, of the National Security Archive, said the system had worked. "Diplomats, intelligence agencies, defence and military officials - even aid workers - provided timely information up the chain," he said.

"That the Clinton administration decided against intervention at any level was not for lack of knowledge of what was happening in Rwanda."

Many analysts and historians fault Washington and other western capitals not just for failing to support the token force of overwhelmed UN peacekeepers but for failing to speak out more forcefully during the slaughter.

Some of the Hutu extremists orchestrating events might have heeded such warnings, they have suggested.

Mr Clinton has apologised for those failures but the declassified documents undermine his defence of ignorance. "The level of US intelligence is really amazing," said Mr Ferroggiaro. "A vast array of information was available."

On a visit to the Rwandan capital, Kigali, in 1998 Mr Clinton apologised for not acting quickly enough or immediately calling the crimes genocide.

In what was widely seen as an attempt to diminish his responsibility, he said: "It may seem strange to you here, especially the many of you who lost members of your family, but all over the world there were people like me sitting in offices, day after day after day, who did not fully appreciate the depth and speed with which you were being engulfed by this unimaginable terror."

A spokesperson for the William Jefferson Clinton Foundation in New York said the allegations would be relayed to the former president.



https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/ ... usa.rwanda

I'm also pretty sure that we arm chair politicians and expert military tacticians think we have all the answers but, are likely completely ignorant of the major geopolitical considerations taking place in the region as we speak. But, before you pile on, don't get me wrong, I'm as pissed as the next guy about the Americans inaction's to help a former ally. But for the record they do have a history of letting their allies swing in the wind when their usefulness has expired and to verify that fact all you have to do is just ask the people in your local Vietnamese Restaurant.

So, as despicable as the Americans inaction's in this situation seem we still may be missing the real reasons for their allowing the Turkish asshole to run roughshod over Northern Syria. Not to worry though, it'll come out in about 25 years as to the real reason for this administrations less than ethical actions in this situation.

Oh and one more thing. Nothing would make me happier than seeing that pompous, self serving blowhard, asshole Erdogan standing in the same docket in the Hague as Slobodan Milosevic. [B-o]


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