After all the bitterness on the forums of politicians being all talk and never actually getting stuff done, I think it's sad when we end up celebrating a politician who, after years of talking, leaves right before the process of getting stuff done.
Thanos Thanos:
If I want to see hate-filled hearts on display I'll go watch a pro-Palestinian gathering, a campus pro-political correctness protest, or a BLM rally. As for Farage he's not the leader of a ruling party. He's the leader of a group dedicated to one purpose only, and that was to separate Britain as much as possible from Europe and to regain their sovereignty from the Brussels bureaucracy. With the referendum this was accomplished so there's no reason for Farage to stick around. And I'd appreciate it greatly if more politicians didn't stick around and make a career out of whatever the fuck it is that they do for a "living". Would have been nice to see cretins like Don Boudria, who collected his taxpayer funded paycheques from the Trudeau Senior through to the Paul Martin eras, and Ralph Goodale take the hint and powder out after two or three terms.
I disagree. Farage should stick around and actually finish what he started.
Nothing has been accomplished. Farage, Cameron, Boris, and others have all been leaving before there has even been one word in negotiations, before there has been one change in regulation, and before there has even been on step towards actually invoking article 50.
Brexit hasn't happened yet, and thus far all Farage has succeeded with is holding a referendum that seems to have caused political upheaval across the country. Now that the real work on any of those issues have to be handled, including the ones these people have been promising, none of them seem able to do the real job.
If Farage were any way half accountable and wanted to actually represent the people who voted for Leave, he would stay as leader and fight tooth and nail for each and every demand he and other prominent Leave campaigners have been fighting over. Until those demands have been met, there has been no victory. The ongoing stampede to the door so as to not play a role in that is ridiculous, and speaks exactly to the kind of bullshit lack of accountability these men and women want. If things go badly, they'll have had no role in negotiations, and any and all issues with Brexit will be someone else's fault, and will have nothing to do with anything they ever did. After all, they won Brexit! What, you didn't get what we promised you? Darn those people who actually negotiated the Brexit!
Now look where they are. Who is going to deal with Irish concerns over the Good Friday agreement? What exactly is the response to the Scottish parties looking to see if they have the power to veto, who are considering a new referendum? What is the English response to the EU declaring negotiations will only begin, officially and unofficially, when Article 50 is officially declared? Why has no one responded to just about every EU leader stating that, like their other trade agreements, free movement of people's will be a requisite for any EU-UK trade deal? What about all the legitimate voters who have signed petitions? Why are Leave campaigners suddenly talking about how you can't cut off the continent, how immigration has it's import (see Carswell, the only UKIP member of parliament), or that promises made by others won't happen (Farage on the NHS promise being a lie, one he knew about and stood silent on)? Why is it that the only party of any size that wants to leave, the Conservatives, have a front runner who has pretty much said she wouldn't invoke Article 50 for at least a year after her taking leadership, possibly more?
Why are the ones who are supposed to answer these questions slowly slinking out of the limelight, where they'd have to answer them? They won a vote! People voted for them and their ideals! These people have spent years being the icon for these ideals! Why, suddenly, is governing such a difficult thing for them? Why is it that now that the referendum has happened, none of them are willing to see it through to becoming law?
If this entire referendum was about unaccountable bureaucrats in a distant place who talk too much and who are making poor decisions and not having to deal with the consequences of those ideals, why is it acceptable that a slew of high ranking men and women, sitting in London, of a campaign which has just fundamentally altered the course of UK history and identity, have left en masse before even beginning to deal with those consequences? Is this the British leadership over 17 million people made the decision to vote for?
N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:
BeaverFever BeaverFever:
They're all running for the hills like cowards right when the real work begins. Who's going to get stuck holding the shitty end of this stick?
Running? Where are they running too?
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That's kind of a dumb thing to say. They're British. They're in Britain. They're staying in Britain.
There'll always be an EnglandThe British beat back some invaders again is all. They were Britain for centuries. Some tricksters tried to sneak in and take over for a short time. The British kicked them out. And now the British will continue being Britain is all.
I'm not sure if you were serious with your confusion, or if this was supposed to be a segue away from any of the content contained in that post.
Most people (including the three other posters who said the same thing in this thread) would read what you quoted and recognize he was talking about them running from their positions, ideals and responsibilities while forcing someone else to do the hard bits like negotiating and answering those questions I posted above, rather than physically running from Britain, but selectively read that all you want.
As for your invaders point, there were always the people who ran away from the battlefield the moment someone invaded, including many leaders. Others, after all, can take ownership and duty for that arduous task, since as long as our cause is the same we are equally just and victorious, in their mind. Apparently a significant number of British politicians are made of a similar moral fiber.
Except right now no battle has actually happened, no one has lifted a finger to start real change, the only thing that has happened is there is knowledge that battle will take place (with candidates like Theresa May talking about a year after her election, at least). With the knowledge that the battle will come, one day, these proud leaders have declared themselves victorious and vacated the field. Paragons of bravery.