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Title: Vanuatu leader says 'monster' cyclone has 'wiped out' development on South Pacific island
Category: Weather
Posted By: DrCaleb
Date: 2015-03-16 07:04:08

[DrCaleb]

OMG!! Global cooling!!

[BartSimpson]

What? I thought living on earth was 100% risk free?

[DrCaleb]

Wow, lots of video coming out now. They got flattened, much worse than the Philippines a couple years ago.

And odds are no one will care about them in a few months either.

[N_Fiddledog]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

OMG!! Global cooling!!

You seem to be suggesting this has something to do with the climate debate, so I'm going to offer a little heads up to people who might have interest in such things.

The Canadian climate scientist who the greens hate - Tim Ball - is supposed to be debating Green Party head, Elizabeth May on CFAX radio in about 3 minutes.

$1:

The renowned Dr. Tim Ball was recently on our TV show, Freedom Free For All, to announce his upcoming debate with Green MP Elizabeth May. The debate will be on CFAX 1070AM radio and you can listen to it live on the internet <here> So be sure to tune in on March 16th at 1:00pm PST. This has been a long time coming since Miss May had a debate set up for last summer but could never find the time to get on Ian Jessop’s show the same time as Dr.Ball.

We will also have Dr. Tim Ball on our live show for our viewers to ask questions to him. so be sure to tune into Freedom Free For All tonight(Mon March 2) at 7:30pm Pacific time, and log into the livestream so you can get in on the live chat during the show. So log in here http://new.livestream.com/accounts/4937 ... ts/3369679

I doubt they'll be debating the weather in Fiji, but it doesn't mean much anyway. There was a Typhoon in Vancouver in the 60s. What did that prove? Weather happens, is all.

[DrCaleb]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

OMG!! Global cooling!!

You seem to be suggesting this has something to do with the climate debate,

No, I am poking Bart in the ribs for the exact same comment he posts in other Weather related stories, usually involving cold weather.

[DrCaleb]

And the human tragedy begins:

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Cyclone Pam: Vanuatu islanders forced to drink saltwater

People living on a remote island in the north-west of Vanuatu are having to drink harmful saltwater following last week's cyclone, the BBC has discovered.

Residents of Moso say they are still waiting for outside help to arrive.

Aid agencies have begun trying to access the country's small outer islands, but flooding has stopped their planes from landing in some areas.

One pilot said the lush landscape had been transformed and now looked as if it had been destroyed by a bush fire.

In addition to drinking water shortages, officials say there is also a desperate need for food and shelter, with tens of thousands of people now homeless.

The larger islands have begun to receive some international help.

The United Nations has revised the official number of dead, bringing it down to 11 from an earlier figure of 24. The relatively low number of casualties has been attributed to the advance warnings that were issued.

Four days after the cyclone struck, aid agencies say that outlying areas of Vanuatu hit by Cyclone Pam suffered "significantly worse" damage than the island nation's capital.

Prime Minister Joe Natuman told the BBC that the full extent of the damage across the islands was still not clear.

He said that the more heavily populated islands of Tanna and Efate received most of the damage.

"The other islands should be okay," he said, "except maybe one group."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-31917913

[BartSimpson]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

No, I am poking Bart in the ribs for the exact same comment he posts in other Weather related stories, usually involving cold weather.

Here's a page with a bunch of charts and graphs and shit for you:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/global-coo ... here/10783



(You've been poked back!)

[DrCaleb]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

No, I am poking Bart in the ribs for the exact same comment he posts in other Weather related stories, usually involving cold weather.

Here's a page with a bunch of charts and graphs and shit for you:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/global-coo ... here/10783



(You've been poked back!)

Yea, Easterbrook makes me laugh. He reminds me of the Iraqi Information minister, circa 2003. I guess that's what happens when geologists try to study climate.

If anything he postulates were true, the storm that just hit Vanuatu wouldn't have been the second strongest ever recorded. 325 km/h wind gusts, and the strongest was 2 years ago with winds of 330 km/h. And it's a pretty limp El Niño this year too. It could have been much worse.

[BartSimpson]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

If anything he postulates were true, the storm that just hit Vanuatu wouldn't have been the second strongest ever recorded.

'ever recorded'

Given that hurricane/typhoon measurements didn't exist in much of the world well into the 1960's then this isn't saying much.

You could say that Boston just had the most snowfall accumulation ever recorded but that pales with the certain knowledge that three meters of snow is nothing compared to the two or three kilometers of ice and snow that once covered the place.

The arrogant assumption that the 'recorded history' of anything is a complete data set is itself a logical fallacy.

And forming conclusions based upon observed and even unadjusted climate data is akin to me surveying everyone sitting in my chair right now to determine world opinions on the pressing matters of the day. Frankly, my data set would be more comprehensive than the climate data set is.

[DrCaleb]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

If anything he postulates were true, the storm that just hit Vanuatu wouldn't have been the second strongest ever recorded.

'ever recorded'

Given that hurricane/typhoon measurements didn't exist in much of the world well into the 1960's then this isn't saying much.

You could say that Boston just had the most snowfall accumulation ever recorded but that pales with the certain knowledge that three meters of snow is nothing compared to the two or three kilometers of ice and snow that once covered the place.

Ever recorded . . by people. No one is claiming it's the biggest weather event 'ever', just 'ever recorded'.

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

The arrogant assumption that the 'recorded history' of anything is a complete data set is itself a logical fallacy.

I don't believe anyone has ever claimed that the hundred and fifty odd years that we've been recording measurements from our environment is fully representative of the 4 billion years of our planets' existence. It's just more detailed than we get from rocks, or trees or ice.

The more data we get, the better our predictions become.

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

And forming conclusions based upon observed and even unadjusted climate data is akin to me surveying everyone sitting in my chair right now to determine world opinions on the pressing matters of the day. Frankly, my data set would be more comprehensive than the climate data set is.

There are other records of climate activity, other than what we ourselves write down. We can read those records, and make extrapolations from them as well.

We have accurate climate data that goes back 800,000 years. I don't think you are that old, nor your chair that large. And we can use what we know to make predictions and observations on other planets as well.

And they turn out remarkably accurate, so we know we are doing something right.