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Title: Bill C-51 hearings: Diane Ablonczy's questions to Muslim group 'McCarthyesque'
Category: Political
Posted By: DrCaleb
Date: 2015-03-13 07:47:51
Canadian

[andyt]

That rat bastard expected my insinuating questions. He must be guilty. At the very least he's a fellow traveler.

[N_Fiddledog]

In fact doesn't it seem like the "rat bastard protesteth too much".

[DrCaleb]

I think it's getting out of hand. It's gone past the point of protecting Canada to obeying the Conservative viewpoint.

http://www.cbc.ca/player/News/ID/2658529679/

[N_Fiddledog]

I imagine everbody knows that the seemingly harmless acronym of NCCM represents what used to call themselves CAIR Canada, and these allegations of connections to terrorist groups weren't just pulled out of the sky.

http://pointdebasculecanada.ca/harper-s ... -as-hamas/

[DrCaleb]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

I imagine everbody knows that the seemingly harmless acronym of NCCM represents what used to call themselves CAIR Canada, and these allegations of connections to terrorist groups weren't just pulled out of the sky.

http://pointdebasculecanada.ca/harper-s ... -as-hamas/

$1:

A national Muslim organization is demanding Prime Minister Stephen Harper publish a retraction and apology on his government website for a chief spokesman’s comments that the group says linked it to terrorists.

The National Council of Canadian Muslims, which is now challenging Mr. Harper to prove this allegation, has filed a notice of libel saying it intends to sue Mr. Harper and Prime Minister’s Office director of communications Jason MacDonald for comments he made earlier this month.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/pol ... d/follows/

The Loser Edit is just another tactic to prove a flimsy point.

[N_Fiddledog]

I'm not sure what you're saying. Are you saying we must use some sort of new definition of fact now where a lawsuit is the same thing as a conviction when such a possibility might might favor the "Progressive" agenda?

Myself I'm not overly impressed by somebody filing a lawsuit.

Professional victims sue for stuff all the time. Sometimes the case makes it all the way to trial.

I'm saying there are facts that suggest they might lose. I linked to a few. If you're saying those are not factual, prove it. If you cannot then I stand by the original allegation. The idea what was once CAIR Canada has had connections to terrorists was not pulled out of the air.

[DrCaleb]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

I'm saying there are facts that suggest they might lose. I linked to a few. If you're saying those are not factual, prove it. If you cannot then I stand by the original allegation. The idea what was once CAIR Canada has had connections to terrorists was not pulled out of the air.

I'm saying (and so is the libel suit), if there is a direct connection between the NCCM and Hamas, prove it. Until then, it's third pary speculation and would get Diane Ablonczy sued, were she not in a Parliamentary committee.

This kind of politics has no place in a committee that is supposed to be about the protection of Canadians.

[N_Fiddledog]

And I'm saying facts like this...

$1:

Two CAIR-CAN leaders openly endorsed Hamas after it was listed a terrorist organization by the Liberal government in 2002

Jamal Badawi and Wael Haddara are two important pillars of the Muslim Brotherhood infrastructure in Canada. Both were members of CAIR-CAN Board of directors for ten years or so. Badawi was still identified as a CAIR-CAN leader on the organization’s website on May 28, 2013, while Haddara resigned his position on the Board on April 3, 2012. On March 3, 2004, both of them were simultaneously on CAIR-CAN’s Board and on the Muslim Association of Canada’s Board. That day, MAC issued a press release in which it openly endorsed Hamas. That was more than one year after the Canadian government, Liberal back then, had added Hamas to a list of terrorist organizations. The listing is available on Public Safety Canada’s website.

don't magically become false because an organization that behaves much like Professional Victims Inc. launches a lawsuit that might some day make it all the way to trial.

And again "The idea what was once CAIR Canada has had connections to terrorists was not pulled out of the air," is what I allege.

You're the one who's challenging that, and in a bracing of snot and snark I might add. So the requirement of proof falls on you. Calling my statement a lie? Prove it, or admit you can't.

[DrCaleb]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

And I'm saying facts like this...

$1:

Two CAIR-CAN leaders openly endorsed Hamas after it was listed a terrorist organization by the Liberal government in 2002

Jamal Badawi and Wael Haddara are two important pillars of the Muslim Brotherhood infrastructure in Canada. Both were members of CAIR-CAN Board of directors for ten years or so. Badawi was still identified as a CAIR-CAN leader on the organization’s website on May 28, 2013, while Haddara resigned his position on the Board on April 3, 2012. On March 3, 2004, both of them were simultaneously on CAIR-CAN’s Board and on the Muslim Association of Canada’s Board. That day, MAC issued a press release in which it openly endorsed Hamas. That was more than one year after the Canadian government, Liberal back then, had added Hamas to a list of terrorist organizations. The listing is available on Public Safety Canada’s website.

don't magically become false because an organization that behaves much like Professional Victims Inc. launches a lawsuit that might some day make it all the way to trial.

And again "The idea what was once CAIR Canada has had connections to terrorists was not pulled out of the air," is what I allege.

You're the one that's challenging that, and in a bracing of snot and snark I might add. So the requirement of proof falls on you. Calling my statement a lie? Prove it, or admit you can't.

So, you have no ties between HAMAS and the NCCM is what you are saying? Their entire point was that a link 10 years ago between two groups that no longer exist, and a US judge saying there are links, is not proof of ongoing ties.

I accept your apology. The only 'snot and snark' I see is coming from the canine side of the floor. And, how does one prove a negative anyway?

[N_Fiddledog]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

So, you have no ties between HAMAS and the NCCM is what you are saying?

No. What I am saying is what I will now say for the third time and wonder if you are trying to break Andy's record of not appearing to understand a clear statement of fact no matter how many times it is made clearly and directly to your face. Here it is again. Ready?

"The idea what was once CAIR Canada has had connections to terrorists was not pulled out of the air,"

You appear concerned about an interpretation of what you believe NCCM/CAIR Canada believes that goes:

$1:

Their entire point was that a link 10 years ago between two groups that no longer exist, and a US judge saying there are links, is not proof of ongoing ties.

You mean the organization described here?

""According to extensive research by specialists following the pattern of activity of CAIR-CAN/NCCM, the group has a record of propagating what is commonly referred to as the "Islamic victimhood narrative" -- exaggerated claims of wide-ranging persecution of Muslims by mainstream Canadians and Americans."

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4152/ ... r-can-nccm

You believe they have an opinion about something they believe they may have heard. Very Well, acknowledged. I acknowledge you and they have this opinion.

And the CBC have their Progressive panties in a bunch over this one.

$1:

Diane Ablonczy used her allotted time to "put on the record" what she described as "a continuing series of allegations" that the NCCM has ties to groups that have expressed support for "Islamic terrorist groups," including Hamas.

Very well, who said anything that isn't true?

[DrCaleb]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Very well, who said anything that isn't true?

Innuendos are never true. That you and other keep trying to imply that they have 'expressed support' for a group, without actually showing what that means is just another way to marginalize part of our society. A part that we need the support of right now.

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

"The idea what was once CAIR Canada has had connections to terrorists was not pulled out of the air,"

And yet, air is all we see.

[N_Fiddledog]

This is what you're actually pretending to be upset about. The CBC wouldn't show you, but I will.



Now seriously, why does that matter?

She's right. The credentials of CAIR Canada (or whatever they're calling themselves now) need to be challenged before their testimony can be considered credible. They have a history of connections to organizations and individuals shown to be linked to terrorists. Will they denounce them or just pretend to be offended.

Come to think of it, I know why they're doing it, but why are you?

[DrCaleb]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Come to think of it, I know why they're doing it, but why are you?

I wanted to see if my questioning the bullshit would lump me in with the terrorists.

Seems it does.

[N_Fiddledog]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Come to think of it, I know why they're doing it, but why are you?

I wanted to see if my questioning the bullshit would lump me in with the terrorists.

Seems it does.

Still got nothing, right? Just a big boo hoo? Wanna hanky?