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Title: Canadian court finds Toronto newspaper has libeled a climate scientist | Ars Technica
Category: Political
Posted By: DrCaleb
Date: 2015-02-09 07:28:59
Canadian

[andyt]

Yep, that lieberal, proggy, lamestream media, eh?

$1:

"As evident from the testimony of the [the writers and editors], they were more interested in espousing a particular view than assessing the accuracy of the facts."

the columns at issue showed a similarly poor grasp of the facts. Those pieces, according to the judge, implied that Weaver conflated weather events with climate trends; in reality, Weaver has an extensive record of publications cautioning against doing precisely that. Similar problems were found with claims about Weaver's role in and thoughts on the IPCC; the columns suggested one thing while a variety of publicly available documents clearly showed something different.

Why, oh, why, can't this paper rise to the standard set by the Daily Mail.

[N_Fiddledog]

andyt andyt:

Why, oh, why, can't this paper rise to the standard set by the Daily Mail.

Well, one reason might be that it is not a newspaper. Ars Techinica is a website put out by the guys that own Reddit.

But yes that post is stilted in support of the warmist faithful.

For example. almost right out of the gate they say...

$1:

Compared to the statements that prompted a US libel suit by climate scientist Mike Mann, the National Post's articles are quite mild (Mann was compared to a convicted child molester).

That's kind of true but not really. They're referring to this blog post.

https://cei.org/blog/other-scandal-unhappy-valley

In it the poster notes that Penn state University did in-house investigations on both Michael Mann and child molester Jerry Sandusky. In both cases they were accused by some of conducting white wash investigations. Those are facts.

Knowing the full facts kind of defeats the point Ars Techicica was trying to make on how you only have to prove something is not true in Canadian law as opposed to American though.

They might have done better to mention one of serial suer Michael Mann's other lawsuits to make their point. He also sued climate scientist Tim Ball for saying "Michael Mann is at Penn state, but he should be at the state Penn."

The problem there is Tim Ball's Canadian, and I think Mad Mike backed out of that one. Also it's funny Ars T can't have that.

As to the Weaver case, I don't know the full details there, so I'll wait until the facts come out from the other side to form an opinion.

My personal opinion though is I've always found Andrew Weaver to be a pompous blowhard with an inflated opinion of himself who talks out both sides of his mouth, and likes to cover BS insinuations with conflicting weasel words. I've always found him more a politician than a scientist, and apparently that's what he is now - a politician. I think the hippy/hipster sub-culture of idiots on Vancouver Island voted him in for the Green Party, or something.

[Benn]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

andyt andyt:

Why, oh, why, can't this paper rise to the standard set by the Daily Mail.

My personal opinion though is I've always found Andrew Weaver to be a pompous blowhard with an inflated opinion of himself who talks out both sides of his mouth, and likes to cover BS insinuations with conflicting weasel words. I've always found him more a politician than a scientist, and apparently that's what he is now - a politician. I think the hippy/hipster sub-culture of idiots on Vancouver Island voted him in for the Green Party, or something.

Good thing you pointed out it was 'your opinion' only otherwise you might have to prove this guy does in deed blow hard. Or face Libel suits :p

[DrCaleb]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Well, one reason might be that it is not a newspaper. Ars Techinica is a website put out by the guys that own Reddit Wired.

FTFY.

They all have the same parent company.

Blaming the messenger is job #1, I see!

[andyt]

You guys are arguing about what Ars Technica is when the paper that was deemed to have libeled is the National Post. Whooosh. Would have posted this sooner, but didn't have a clue what FD was on about.

[DrCaleb]

andyt andyt:

You guys are arguing about what Ars Technica is when the paper that was deemed to have libeled is the National Post.

Hence why I crossed out his statement that it wasn't a newspaper. I can go to the corner store, and they have papers labelled 'National Post' for sale.

I like posting stories sometimes from sources, that are exactly like hundreds of other sources, just to see what Fiddledoggie will do.

[N_Fiddledog]

No, Andy Pandy.

I can't speak for others, but what I was responding to was this.

andyt andyt:

Yep, that lieberal, proggy, lamestream media, eh?

Why, oh, why, can't this paper rise to the standard set by the Daily Mail.

In that you appeared to be implying mainstream media which had spoken truth to power on this issue of global warming catasrophism in the past was not the mainstream news.

You appear to be implying websites from owners that have a history of watching over other web properties not known for their credibility are the real mainstream.

In other words you are doing your black is white, up is down thing again. Stop that. It's silly.

Also you might want to check out the front page here for recent news on the warming catastrophe scare. The most recent one comes from The Telegraph. It seems more than one mainstream media source notices the BS side of yours and Doc's faith now.

[andyt]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

andyt andyt:

You guys are arguing about what Ars Technica is when the paper that was deemed to have libeled is the National Post.

Hence why I crossed out his statement that it wasn't a newspaper. I can go to the corner store, and they have papers labelled 'National Post' for sale.

I like posting stories sometimes from sources, that are exactly like hundreds of other sources, just to see what Fiddledoggie will do.

You are a tricky one.

[N_Fiddledog]

andyt andyt:

You are a tricky one.

Call me by my hobbit name.

Fact Finder.

[DrCaleb]

andyt andyt:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

andyt andyt:

You guys are arguing about what Ars Technica is when the paper that was deemed to have libeled is the National Post.

Hence why I crossed out his statement that it wasn't a newspaper. I can go to the corner store, and they have papers labelled 'National Post' for sale.

I like posting stories sometimes from sources, that are exactly like hundreds of other sources, just to see what Fiddledoggie will do.

You are a tricky one.

I know. Sometimes it's just to overcome the boredom, sometimes it's just amusing for a little while.

[andyt]

Toying with the handicapped - it's beneath you. You're playing The Squire of Gothos

[N_Fiddledog]

Oh wait a minute...

Tell me again about the superiority of your side's argument, because you don't use Ad Hominem, insult driven arguments.

Fact driven, sciencey, types that you are.

You're both hilarious.

[DrCaleb]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Oh wait a minute...

Tell me again about the superiority of your side's argument, because you don't use Ad Hominem, insult driven arguments.

Fact driven, sciencey, types that you are.

You're both hilarious.

Fact is, I didn't use an ad hominem; but the first thing you do in pretty much every article like this is 'attack the messenger' which is the definition of 'ad hominem'.

[andyt]

I"m not a sciencey type, haven't been for many years. As for personal insults, I've never claimed not to use them, tho by what I see on this forum I'm in the milder range. Dr Caleb mostly refrains from personal insults. Sometimes one will get by his defenses, sometimes he'll sneak one in in a passive aggressive sort of way. For the record, he did neither in this thread.