[Newsbot]

Title: Steve Moore reaches settlement with Todd Bertuzzi: reports
Category: Sports
Posted By: Regina
Date: 2014-08-19 08:56:45
Canadian

[martin14]

Hope he got every penny.

[bootlegga]

martin14 martin14:

Hope he got every penny.

I don't often agree with you, but I totally agree on this one.

I get that violence is part of hockey, but this kind of BS needs to go the way of the dodo.

Bertuzzi should have been suspended for life for this.

I'm not a vengeful person, but there were times when I wished someone had ambushed Bertuzzi on a dark street and broke both his kneecaps or did something to end his career like he did Moore's.

[Thanos]

Did Markus Naslund ever recover from the cheap shot Moore laid on him that set all that bullshit off in the first place? If I recall it correctly Naslund was never the same afterwards, thanks to the post-concussion syndrome Moore's hit left him with, and retired several years later because of it.

I have no love for Bertuzzi. He more than deserved the punishment the league laid on him at the time. But the way Moore's lawyers dragged it into court and milked the issue for over ten years is fucking ridiculous. I'm sure the time limit to file suit has expired, but if Moore can sue Bertuzzi for the sucker punch (and it wasn't even the punch or even the fall to the ice that did the most damage to him, it was the dog pile of players that landed on him when the other Avalance guys on the ice tackled Bertuzzi and they all fell together), could Naslund sue Moore for setting off the slow burn that eventually ended his career? How about Wendel Clark suing Claude Lemieux for ending his? Eric Lindros suing Scott Stevens for ending his? Cam Neely suing Ulf Samuelsson for ending his?

Where does this bullshit end? Bertuzzi was punished, even if some think it wasn't enough, according to a long-time legal standard that allows pro hockey to police their own business outside of both the criminal and civil courts. The Canucks should have been fined heavier and Marc Crawford in particular, who probably did more to egg on the situation in the Canucks locker room than anyone else, should have been suspended for at least a year. But Moore got his salary payout and insurance money on top of it for his disability, no different than happens to any other worker that gets injured on the job. Dragging this through the courts for a decade, to the enrichment of some goddamn lawyers only, was bloody ridiculous.

[2Cdo]

Thanos Thanos:

Did Markus Naslund ever recover from the cheap shot Moore laid on him that set all that bullshit off in the first place? If I recall it correctly Naslund was never the same afterwards, thanks to the post-concussion syndrome Moore's hit left him with, and retired several years later because of it.

I have no love for Bertuzzi. He more than deserved the punishment the league laid on him at the time. But the way Moore's lawyers dragged it into court and milked the issue for over ten years is fucking ridiculous. I'm sure the time limit to file suit has expired, but if Moore can sue Bertuzzi for the sucker punch (and it wasn't even the punch or even the fall to the ice that did the most damage to him, it was the dog pile of players that landed on him when the other Avalance guys on the ice tackled Bertuzzi and they all fell together), could Naslund sue Moore for setting off the slow burn that eventually ended his career? How about Wendel Clark suing Claude Lemieux for ending his? Eric Lindros suing Scott Stevens for ending his? Cam Neely suing Ulf Samuelsson for ending his?

Where does this bullshit end? Bertuzzi was punished, even if some think it wasn't enough, according to a long-time legal standard that allows pro hockey to police their own business outside of both the criminal and civil courts. The Canucks should have been fined heavier and Marc Crawford in particular, who probably did more to egg on the situation in the Canucks locker room than anyone else, should have been suspended for at least a year. But Moore got his salary payout and insurance money on top of it for his disability, no different than happens to any other worker that gets injured on the job. Dragging this through the courts for a decade, to the enrichment of some goddamn lawyers only, was bloody ridiculous.

Bravo! Exactly what I was thinking.

[bootlegga]

Thanos Thanos:

Did Markus Naslund ever recover from the cheap shot Moore laid on him that set all that bullshit off in the first place? If I recall it correctly Naslund was never the same afterwards, thanks to the post-concussion syndrome Moore's hit left him with, and retired several years later because of it.

Poppycock!

The very next season Naslund got 79 points (compared to 84 the year of Bertuzzi's vicious attack on Moore, which BTW led the team in scoring. Naslund didn't retire from professional hockey until six years after Moore's hit (the last season he played in Sweden and not the NHL).

The reason for Naslund's scoring decline in later years was a combination of age (27 is the prime year for hockey players which he was well past) and the fact that the Sedin twins became Vancouver's dominant offensive weapons.

Thanos Thanos:

I have no love for Bertuzzi. He more than deserved the punishment the league laid on him at the time. But the way Moore's lawyers dragged it into court and milked the issue for over ten years is fucking ridiculous. I'm sure the time limit to file suit has expired, but if Moore can sue Bertuzzi for the sucker punch (and it wasn't even the punch or even the fall to the ice that did the most damage to him, it was the dog pile of players that landed on him when the other Avalance guys on the ice tackled Bertuzzi and they all fell together), could Naslund sue Moore for setting off the slow burn that eventually ended his career? How about Wendel Clark suing Claude Lemieux for ending his? Eric Lindros suing Scott Stevens for ending his? Cam Neely suing Ulf Samuelsson for ending his?

There's a massive difference between getting checked at centre ice and someone grabbing you from behind and punching you in the head, knocking you out cold. If anyone else did what Bertuzzi had done anywhere outside of a hockey rink, they would have gone to jail, period.

Ever hear the saying "Keep you head up" - that's why most of those other guys are finished. They ignored that very important piece of advice and paid for it.

Don't get me wrong, I think players who deliberately try to injure other players (like that SOB Craig Muni) should be exiled from the league like McSorley was, or at the very least, suspended until the injured player comes back.

The only reason Bertuzzi wasn't was because he could score as well as be a goon.

That's why the Bertuzzi incident was so bad - one guy at the tail end of his career (McSorley) was exiled while another who did something just as malicious got a relative slap on the wrist.

Sure, Bertuzzi missed 17 months of hockey, but he went on to earn millions more after the suspension ended while Moore sat on the sidelines and watched.

Thanos Thanos:

Where does this bullshit end? Bertuzzi was punished, even if some think it wasn't enough, according to a long-time legal standard that allows pro hockey to police their own business outside of both the criminal and civil courts. The Canucks should have been fined heavier and Marc Crawford in particular, who probably did more to egg on the situation in the Canucks locker room than anyone else, should have been suspended for at least a year. But Moore got his salary payout and insurance money on top of it for his disability, no different than happens to any other worker that gets injured on the job. Dragging this through the courts for a decade, to the enrichment of some goddamn lawyers only, was bloody ridiculous.

I don't care much for lawyers either, but the ones running the NHL are just as slimy.

You want to talk ridiculous - look at the scumbag tactics the NHL used to try to get Moore to drop his suit - like withholding disability payments, counter lawsuits and other high pressure tactics.

The only reason this was settled was because the NHL knew it was going to take a very black eye if this thing went to court and how they handled this sordid affair was made public.

[Zipperfish]

Live by the sword, die by the sword. Moore's cheap shot on Naslund was just as nasty and had long-term debilitating effects on Naslund. Just glad this sorry incident is over.

[BRAH]

This sends a message to NHL players, if you're the victim of a cheap hit call your lawyer ASAP!

[martin14]

Thanos Thanos:

Where does this bullshit end? Bertuzzi was punished, even if some think it wasn't enough,

But the fact remains all those players you mentioned went on to continue their careers.

Bertuzzi is why I agree with the opinion; you hurt someone, you don't come back until they come back.

[Regina]

In today's NHL Moore would have been suspended and Bertuzzi wouldn't have had to take matters in his own hands......which is the way it was 10 years ago. Hockey has loads of stupid "unwritten rules" and the fact it was 10 years ago, is the way it was handled then. Moore was trying to duck out of getting his lights punched out in retaliation for what he did. 30 years ago if he didn't drop the gloves, a cross check to the mouth taking out all the Chiclets would have got the offender 2 minutes. He was a career minor leaguer, up for a cup of coffee that now wants career NHL money. If anyone should pay, it should be the NHL with their dumb ass officiating rules.

[bootlegga]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Live by the sword, die by the sword. Moore's cheap shot on Naslund was just as nasty and had long-term debilitating effects on Naslund. Just glad this sorry incident is over.

Not nearly as long term as Bertuzzi's sucker punch had on Moore...

[bootlegga]

Maybe not...

Steve Moore says no deal with Todd Bertuzzi; brother questions motivations

https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-p ... 52873.html

[Thanos]

That Moore's lawyers kept increasing the size of the lawsuit penalty they wanted, originally from $15 million and now up to $68 million, speaks volumes about their real motivation. Don't know anyone out there who ever would have reasonable thought that a fourth-line plug like Steve Moore ever would have earned a total of $68 million over the course of his playing career. Gimme a fuckin' break already.

Was Bertuzzi completely in the wrong? Yes, and he was harshly punished for it. Was Steve Moore the victim in all of this? Yes again, but the antics of his legal team are certainly doing enough to make him one of the most unlikeable victims of an on-ice goon job I can ever remember.

[bootlegga]

Thanos Thanos:

That Moore's lawyers kept increasing the size of the lawsuit penalty they wanted, originally from $15 million and now up to $68 million, speaks volumes about their real motivation. Don't know anyone out there who ever would have reasonable thought that a fourth-line plug like Steve Moore ever would have earned a total of $68 million over the course of his playing career. Gimme a fuckin' break already.

Was Bertuzzi completely in the wrong? Yes, and he was harshly punished for it. Was Steve Moore the victim in all of this? Yes again, but the antics of his legal team are certainly doing enough to make him one of the most unlikeable victims of an on-ice goon job I can ever remember.

I agree that the lawyers aren't making Moore out to be very sympathetic, but you're ignoring the NHL, which has been downright despicable;

$1:

The National Hockey League refused to give Steve Moore $220,000 in a disability payment unless he dropped his civil suit against Todd Bertuzzi and the Vancouver Canucks, new court documents allege.

As well, a new motion was filed to compel former Canucks owner John McCaw Jr. to testify at the trial scheduled to start in September in Ontario Superior Court in Toronto.

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl/nhl ... -1.2550451

If the NHL did shit like that to me after I suffered a career-ending injury, I'd have no problem increasing my claim against them.

And let's not forget - most of the mucky-mucks at the NHL are lawyers too...

[Thanos]

Kind of a cascade of responsibility evading. The NHL can say that they warned the Canucks to knock it off prior to the game in question, but the Canucks deliberately ignored it. That then makes it Marc Crawford/Brian Burke/Vancouver ownerships fault because the NHL did their due diligence, or so they can say, but the Canucks went on the warpath anyway. The Canucks then turn around and lay all the blame on Bertuzzi and claim he did it on his own and ignored orders from the team to stay away from Moore. It's all then an undocumented trail of he sad vs. he said with just suspicions that the hit on Moore was either an order from Crawford/Burke or was, at least, highly suggested by them that it absolutely needed to be done. With the antics of a shithead like Brad May going on at the time in the background, where he was offering a bounty on Moore's head to any of his Canuck teammates to collect, the whole situation leading up to the Bertuzzi attack gets even murkier and uglier. Bertuzzi even sued Marc Crawford at one point, which suggests that "get Moore" was an official position of the Canucks organization and that the team really was demanding that Moore get hammered.

What a fucking mess. Someone suggested earlier that a goon should be suspended for as long as it takes the player he deliberately injured to come back to play. If the NHL had something like this in effect when Moore laid out Naslund, which he absolutely should have been suspended for, then all of the nonsense that followed might never have happened at all.