[BartSimpson]

saturn_656 saturn_656:

This deal leaves Russia's man in Kyiv in place. Might not fly.

At least the deal leaves Ukraine nominally independent from Russia and maybe, just maybe, Yulia Timoshenko (sp?) will be let of jail to run for the Presidency again.

[DrCaleb]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

saturn_656 saturn_656:

This deal leaves Russia's man in Kyiv in place. Might not fly.

At least the deal leaves Ukraine nominally independent from Russia and maybe, just maybe, Yulia Timoshenko (sp?) will be let of jail to run for the Presidency again.

I sort of saw this BS happening when they put her in jail for doing her job. El Presedente gives live ammo to the cops, and I bet he doesn't even get a parking ticket.

[DrCaleb]

$1:

Ukraine president, opposition sign deal in bid to end crisis

Parliament votes to curtail presidential powers, free jailed former PM Yulia Tymoshenko



- Ukrainian parliament votes to allow release of jailed opposition figure Yulia Tymoshenko
- President and opposition sign deal meant to end crisis
- Ukraine parliament grants amnesty to protesters; restores old constitution
- Some protesters remain unhappy
- Thursday was deadliest day since Ukraine's 1991 independence

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/ukraine-pr ... -1.2545804

[andyt]

The EU also signed off on this, but not Russia. Those some protesters includes the extreme right which has been responsible for most of the violence.

[Jabberwalker]

Great ... skinhead rebellion ...

[BartSimpson]

andyt andyt:

The EU also signed off on this, but not Russia. Those some protesters includes the extreme right which has been responsible for most of the violence.

You're watching too much RT News.

According to the Russians anyone opposed to their sock-puppet dictator is a fascist.

This is not a right/left issue for the simple fact that its an ethnic divide that's driving this confrontation.

It's Ukrainians against Russians, not right against left.

[Gunnair]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

saturn_656 saturn_656:

This deal leaves Russia's man in Kyiv in place. Might not fly.

At least the deal leaves Ukraine nominally independent from Russia and maybe, just maybe, Yulia Timoshenko (sp?) will be let of jail to run for the Presidency again.

It does, but I cannot imagine after the bloodshed of the last couple of days that enough if the opposition will bite. Some leaders may, but it looks like the blood is up now.

How do you step back from snipers in the streets?

[Jabberwalker]

According to the Russians anyone opposed to their sock-puppet dictator is a fascist.


I would say that their sock-puppet dictator is the working definition of fascist.

[BartSimpson]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

saturn_656 saturn_656:

This deal leaves Russia's man in Kyiv in place. Might not fly.

At least the deal leaves Ukraine nominally independent from Russia and maybe, just maybe, Yulia Timoshenko (sp?) will be let of jail to run for the Presidency again.

On the radio just now they're saying Yulia Timoshenko is being released from prison after thirty months!

[BartSimpson]

Gunnair Gunnair:

How do you step back from snipers in the streets?

If they're in the street then you step back from the window into the shadows, carefully pick your target, and then fire.

[Gunnair]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Gunnair Gunnair:

How do you step back from snipers in the streets?

If they're in the street then you step back from the window into the shadows, carefully pick your target, and then fire.

Yeah.

Anyway...

[martin14]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

saturn_656 saturn_656:

This deal leaves Russia's man in Kyiv in place. Might not fly.

At least the deal leaves Ukraine nominally independent from Russia and maybe, just maybe, Yulia Timoshenko (sp?) will be let of jail to run for the Presidency again.

On the radio just now they're saying Yulia Timoshenko is being released from prison after thirty months!

That's actually good news.

Have to wait and see if the deal takes, and if the protesters will accept it.

Was quiet last night.

Seems to be quiet tonight as well.

[Public_Domain]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

According to the Russians anyone opposed to their sock-puppet dictator is a fascist.

This is not a right/left issue for the simple fact that its an ethnic divide that's driving this confrontation.

It's Ukrainians against Russians, not right against left.

Definitely agreed.

Muddies the situation up, makes it difficult for people to quickly pick a side.

I, quite frankly, am not a fan of either side's political stance. Whether I am or not doesn't matter, but I am curious to see how this turns out.

I do think the deal will go ahead with the EU, eventually. Not sure exactly what Russia will do. Georgia is one thing, but the Ukraine is vaguely a Western vassal state nowadays; it would seem a great political gamble to be particularly Stalin-like at this juncture. But who knows, politicians are total assholes.

[Public_Domain]

Protestors now control Kyiv.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/ukrainian- ... -1.2547352

$1:

The leader of a major radical group that spearheaded clashes with police, Pravy Sektor, declared Friday that "the national revolution will continue."

An interesting non-descriptive quote from a fascist group. Good one CBC, almost missed it. But it's been known for awhile now that Ukrainian fascists have taken over the cause.

Also...:

$1:

The country's western regions want to be closer to the EU and have rejected Yanukovych's authority in many cities, while eastern Ukraine that accounts for the bulk of the nation's economic output favours closer ties with Russia.

I'm wondering if a division would be the safest solution for the people (economics of the EU and Russia be damned).

[martin14]

Looks like Yanukovych has left the building... maybe in Kharkiv, maybe not.

from the BBC.