[Winnipegger]

Considering everything that's happened, healing will take at least a century. Everyone in Ukraine will resent this that long. And after everything that has happened, I don't see Ukraine allowing high tech weaponry to be exported to Russia ever again. Russia has cut themselves off from Antonov aircraft. They cut themselves off from whatever "advanced aircraft-tracking system" they got. Once Ukraine controls Donbas, Russia will never get anything again. And rebels can't win, Russia can't win. If Russia invades, then NATO will come in. As long as Russia provides weaponry to the rebels, NATO will provide to Ukraine. I may be slow to accept the fact Ukraine will never trade with Russia again, but Ukraine has long ago. Putin has cut off his nose to spite his face.

[DrCaleb]

Winnipegger Winnipegger:

Considering everything that's happened, healing will take at least a century. Everyone in Ukraine will resent this that long.

A century? I doubt it. Look to the south east in that region - Serbia and Croatia are still fighting battles from 500 and 1000 years ago. They have the same language, but in two different alphabets! They can't even remember why they are fighting anymore.

That will be Ukraine.

[DrCaleb]

$1:

Ukraine crisis: 'Column from Russia' moves on Mariupol
The Ukrainian military says it is battling rebel armoured vehicles that crossed from Russia and headed to the south-eastern city of Mariupol.

It said the column was halted near the town of Novoazovsk.

One military commander said pro-Russian rebels might be trying to open up a new southern front.

Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said he not heard the reports but complained of regular "disinformation about our 'incursions'".

He also said Russia planned to send another humanitarian convoy into eastern Ukraine "in the next few days" as the humanitarian situation there was "deteriorating".

Its first convoy, which returned at the weekend, crossed the border without Ukraine's authorisation. Ukraine feared the convoy was carrying military equipment to the pro-Russian separatists and denounced it as an invasion.

More than 2,000 people have died in recent months in fighting between Ukrainian government forces and the separatists. Some 330,00 people have been displaced.

The Russian and Ukrainian presidents are scheduled to meet in Minsk, Belarus, on Tuesday for talks on the crisis.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-28924945

[Winnipegger]

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He also said Russia planned to send another humanitarian convoy into eastern Ukraine "in the next few days" as the humanitarian situation there was "deteriorating".

Ukraine will have to stop this one.

[Zipperfish]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Winnipegger Winnipegger:

Considering everything that's happened, healing will take at least a century. Everyone in Ukraine will resent this that long.

A century? I doubt it. Look to the south east in that region - Serbia and Croatia are still fighting battles from 500 and 1000 years ago. They have the same language, but in two different alphabets! They can't even remember why they are fighting anymore.

That will be Ukraine.

Protestants and Catholics, Sunnis and Shia. Jews and Philistines. 100 years is nothing.

[DrCaleb]

Winnipegger Winnipegger:

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He also said Russia planned to send another humanitarian convoy into eastern Ukraine "in the next few days" as the humanitarian situation there was "deteriorating".

Ukraine will have to stop this one.

They were leery about stopping the last one, should Russia use it as a pretense for invasion. I wonder what the consequences of stopping the next one from leaving would be? And the bonus, if Russia is smuggling weapons out, they get caught red handed.

[BartSimpson]

In the middle of all of this the Ukrainians took a moment to properly express their respect for Lenin:

[BRAH]

Obama might have to turn a blindeye to some things Russia is doing because the United States could need their support for fighting ISIS in Syria.

[Winnipegger]

BRAH BRAH:

Obama might have to turn a blindeye to some things Russia is doing because the United States could need their support for fighting ISIS in Syria.

That's backwards. The Middle East will always be a mess. It was before Christ was born. The Persian Gulf War of 1991 was justified, but when General Norman Schwarzkopf said the war was over, time to go home, that meant the war was over, time to go home. President George H. W. Bush ordered him to have a clear military objective before going in; to ensure the US didn't get stuck in Iraq. General Schwarzkopf did so. Good job. Unfortunately some idiot in Washington just had to create no-fly-zones. The UN forbade no-fly-zones, but the US enforced them anyway. It dragged on and on. After 9/11, the enemy was Al Qaeda in Afghanistan, not anyone in Iraq. But George W. Bush just had to copy what his daddy did. Everyone knew that once the US pulled out of Iraq, there would be civil war. It was inevitable. The longer the US stayed, the worse the mess would be. Obama campaigned on an election promise to get out of Iraq. He didn't do so until December 2011. That was two decades late, but finally out. Now the predicted mess is happening. Yes, it's bad. No, there's nothing the US can do.

The problem is Ukraine, not Iraq. And I'm sure Russia stirred up trouble with their Arab allies. Putin encouraged Hamas and ISIS. Before the Hamas crisis, I read an article on http://www.rt.com about how bad Israel was, how they took Palestinian land. I'm sure Putin wants the US to get bogged down there, so the US can't interfere with their war on Ukraine. And it's working. Obama is his puppet.

[DrCaleb]

$1:

Ukraine crisis: Rebels enter key Ukrainian town
Pro-Russian rebel forces entered a key town in southeastern Ukraine on Wednesday after three days of heavy shelling, the town's mayor said, capturing new territory far from most of their battles with government troops.

The town of Novoazovsk lies in a strategically significant location — on the Azov Sea and on the road linking Russia to the Russian-annexed Crimean Peninsula. It was the first time in the four-month-long conflict that fighting has reached as far south as the seacoast and suggests that the rebels, who Ukraine says are being supported by Russia, are emboldened and reinforced.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/ukraine-cr ... -1.2747968

[BartSimpson]

The Russians are openly invading Ukraine. Who won the office pool for the 27th?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... -east.html

[Winnipegger]

Harper claims he wants to help. Has sent aid. But an open invasion? I saw in interview on CBC, the commenter claimed NATO doesn't want to acknowledge the invasion because that would require sanctions as severe as Iran. Well, it's about time! And embargo all arms, starting with the helicopter carrier ships that France is building for Russia. The UK already harped about that.

What Canada could do now: provide IR Countermeasures to defend against Igla shoulder-launched missile. Ukraine already has Mi-24 helicopters, known by the NATO designation "Hind". They can take out tanks. What they need are IR Countermeasures. And "Wild Weasels" to combat BUK missile systems. If the US doesn't want to provide Ukraine with that technology, then have the US provide a few F-18G Growler aircraft to the Canadian air force, and have Canadian pilots operate them in Ukraine. That's based on a two-seat F/A-18F Super Hornet, one of the aircraft in contention to replace Canada's CF-18 Hornets.

[BartSimpson]

Winnipegger Winnipegger:

Harper claims he wants to help. Has sent aid. But an open invasion? I saw in interview on CBC, the commenter claimed NATO doesn't want to acknowledge the invasion because that would require sanctions as severe as Iran. Well, it's about time! And embargo all arms, starting with the helicopter carrier ships that France is building for Russia. The UK already harped about that.

What Canada could do now: provide IR Countermeasures to defend against Igla shoulder-launched missile. Ukraine already has Mi-24 helicopters, known by the NATO designation "Hind". They can take out tanks. What they need are IR Countermeasures. And "Wild Weasels" to combat BUK missile systems. If the US doesn't want to provide Ukraine with that technology, then have the US provide a few F-18G Growler aircraft to the Canadian air force, and have Canadian pilots operate them in Ukraine. That's based on a two-seat F/A-18F Super Hornet, one of the aircraft in contention to replace Canada's CF-18 Hornets.

Another option is to reactivate 'The Flying Tigers' and let volunteers go fly and fight for Ukraine.

[Zipperfish]

Ukraine crisis: Nato plans east European bases to counter Russia

$1:

Nato is to deploy its forces at new bases in eastern Europe for the first time, in response to the Ukraine crisis and in an attempt to deter Vladimir Putin from causing trouble in the former Soviet Baltic republics, according to its secretary general.

....


"Since the end of the cold war we have lived in relatively good weather. Now we are faced with a profound climate change. That requires more investment," said [NATO Chief] Rasmussen. "Politicians have tried to harvest the peace dividend after the end of the cold war. That's understandable. But now we are in a completely new security situation."

WElcome back cold war. We hardly had time to miss you.

[ShepherdsDog]

Back in the good old days, I don't think anyone envisioned NATO fighting the Russians over the Ukraine......And where did the godless Commie threat go that the Americans rallied around? Putin is a devout Christian, and Russia is a fairly religious society now.