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The want more autonomy as region.
On the surface this sounds acceptable but many see this in the same light as the Crimea. They wanted more autonomy and they moment they got it a "vote" for leaving the Ukraine and become part of Russia happened.
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Insurgents are not the population.
Glad we finally got that point across to you.
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The rest carrying on doesn't mean they are pro-West, it just means they are not insurgents. When they're not taking armored cars away from the soldiers or bringing food to the insurgents, they are carrying on with normal life.
No these people are the local population (generally of Russian decent)who support the insurgents and or are part of the separatist movement. They are not as you say carrying on with normal life.
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Those people do want change in how Ukraine is governed, they don't want to join Russia, they also want more freedom from being ruled by Kyiv, especially after the interim govt passed those anti-Russian laws.
These same people are the ones from above and their actions are the cause behind the anti-Russian laws
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I know you and shep et all find it hard to keep this big confusing picture in mind, want to paint it all black and white, good and bad but it's not. It's a lot more complicated.
You're seeming to not even understand what Shep, myself and others are talking about, let alone who is who and what is what as I've pointed out in the above, proves how complicated it is and how much of the big picture you've failed to grasp. Thus it's not myself who is finding this to complicated but you. Thus many of us have been trying to make it easy for you to understand unfortunately even this attempt on our part has fallen upon deaf ears in your case.
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What I don't understand, with the insurgents (remember that's just a small number, not everybody that is pro-russia is an insurgent)
Even here you've contradicted yourself, earlier you said that the insurgents were not the population (we are agreed on this) but now you are saying that some of the insurgents are not pro-Russian so who are these non population non pro-Russian insurgents you speak of. Where did they come from if not from the population and not part of the pro-Russian insurgent groups.
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holding so little actual territory how they plan to hold a referendum unless the interim govt allows it or the civilians backing them go in the streets.
This has been a tactic for centuries where a small force will hold key population areas and political centers thus gaining a lot stronger political position then their numbers actually would account for. This is something that Sun Zhu's (sp) art of war talks about and it can be traced back even further to Ancient Egypt and some of the wars they fought. Probably can be traced back even further but non come to mind at the moment.
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Seems to me this could get very ugly.
Not just you but just about everyone see's this as turning very ugly thus the pressure from the West on Russia to back off it's pressure via politics, rhetoric, insurgents and other means they have been using.
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