[Newsbot]

Title: Prostitution: Ontario court gives OK to brothels
Category: Law & Order
Posted By: Curtman
Date: 2012-03-26 13:58:32
Canadian

[Curtman]

$1:

The landmark decision means sex workers in Ontario will be able to hire drivers, bodyguards and support staff and work indoors in organized brothels or "bawdy houses," while "exploitation" by pimps remains illegal. However, openly soliciting customers on the street remains prohibited, with the judges deeming that "a reasonable limit on the right to freedom of expression."

Finally some good news out of Ottawa in the fight against organized crime.

[FieryVulpine]

I wonder if that means Lethbridge's infamous red-light district will return.

[Thanos]

The guy who franchises a couple of these in Fort McMurray is going to make about a million bucks overnight. Lots of swingin' dicks up there at any given time.

[Proculation]

At last !

[Thanos]

Proculation Proculation:

At last !

Strangely enough sinking some money into this would probably be a lot more ethical than most of your usual investments. It'd certainly be more honest than, say, Wall Street.

[Brenda]

About time.

[Delwin]

What a crock. Have we officially become a nation of panderers ? Since when has it become unconstitutional to uphold the law ? I guess we should start handing out bullet proof vests to bank robbers to ensure their safety. This is absolutely disgusting and I hope Harper has the spine to stand up for what is right and appeal this. Has anyone considered what effect legitimizing prostitution will have on the the women of tomorrow ? Here s a good article that gives good reasons to keep prostitution illegal. http://www.honourconsulting.com/pdf/raymond.pdf

When you break the law you give up your constitutional rights. When you are caught you give up your freedom. That's it.

Should we start offering special protections to murderers, rapists, thieves because they are in danger of getting hurt by their victims ? Isn't it unconstitutional not to ? NO, of course not. So what makes prostitution any different ?

[Brenda]

TL:DR

So what happened to me, my nieces and my daughters since prostitution was legalized in my native country?
And no, that was no reason for emigrating.

EXACTLY, nothing happened. What you, and your pdf file forget, is that the prostitutes who are working in the Netherlands, CHOOSE to work there. There are rules, laws, legal age, check ups, safety rules, and even a union.

What makes prostitution different is that all participants are willing.

[Unsound]

Delwin Delwin:

Should we start offering special protections to murderers, rapists, thieves because they are in danger of getting hurt by their victims ? Isn't it unconstitutional not to ? NO, of course not. So what makes prostitution any different ?

For starters, prostitutes are pretty much only hurting themselves, as opposed to raping murdering or stealing from others. What harm they do cause to society at large will be reduced by getting them off the streets and into private property where they won't be out in front of our children.

[Delwin]

The Netherlands happens to be one of the most popular countries in the world for human trafficking. Probably the most. So you assertion that all members are willing participants is completely false. Your country's decisions have not only put its own citizens at risk but the citizens from countries all over the world. Check your facts.

A 2006 UNODC report called "Trafficking in Persons: Global Patterns" identifies Albania, Belarus, Bulgaria, China, Moldova, Nigeria, Thailand and Ukraine among the countries that are the greatest sources of trafficked persons. Belgium, Germany, Israel, Italy, Japan, the Netherlands, Thailand, Turkey and the United States are cited as the most common destinations.

http://www.unodc.org/newsletter/en/pers ... ge009.html

[Brenda]

Exactly 809 in 2009.
http://www.expatica.com/nl/news/local_n ... 49349.html

Out of about 20,000 prostitutes.

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In response to the problems associated with the involvement of organized crime into the sex trade, the Dutch government has decided to close numerous prostitution businesses. Concerned about organized crime, money laundering and human trafficking, Amsterdam officials under Mayor Cohen denied the license renewals of about 30 brothels in the Amsterdam red light district De Wallen in 2006; the brothel owners appealed. To counter negative news reports, the district organized an open house day in 2007 and a statue to an unknown sex worker was unveiled, "intended to honor those employed in the industry world-wide."[21] In September 2007 it was announced that the city of Amsterdam was buying several buildings in the red light district from Charles Geerts in order to close about a third of the windows.[22]
At the end of 2008, Mayor Cohen announced plans to close half of the city’s 400 prostitution windows because of suspected criminal gang activity. The mayor is also closing some of the city’s 70 marijuana cafes and sex clubs.[8] This comes at the same time as the Government's decision to ban the sale of "magic mushrooms" and the closure of all coffee shops situated near schools.[8] Nevertheless, Mayor Cohen has noted, "It is not that we want to get rid of our red-light district. We want to reduce it. Things have become unbalanced and if we do not act we will never regain control."[8]
In 2009 the Dutch justice ministry announced the appointment of a special public prosecutor charged with closing down prostitution windows and coffee shops connected to organized crime syndicates.[23]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostituti ... etherlands

(yeah, wiki link, I know. Sue me.)

See, the biggest issue in prostitution is not human trafficking. At least not in The Netherlands. It is the lover boys charming the young girls into prostituting themselves. BUT, when you make sure the women who WANT to work in prostitution can do so legally, you have time to find the women who do NOT want to, get them out, and bring the pimps to justice.

[Delwin]

Unsound Unsound:

Delwin Delwin:

Should we start offering special protections to murderers, rapists, thieves because they are in danger of getting hurt by their victims ? Isn't it unconstitutional not to ? NO, of course not. So what makes prostitution any different ?

For starters, prostitutes are pretty much only hurting themselves, as opposed to raping murdering or stealing from others. What harm they do cause to society at large will be reduced by getting them off the streets and into private property where they won't be out in front of our children.

I can't accept the victim-less crime argument when it comes to prostitution. However, aside from the spread of disease, you are correct that in most cases it is the prostitutes who become the victims, and society in general which is very difficult to directly illustrate. However, I am just not sure how you think that legitimizing an illegal industry is going to keep it away from our children ?
The law was overturned because it is supposedly unconstitutional to not allow prostitutes practice their illegal trade because it is dangerous. Legitimizing the industry is going to remove police presence from the sex trade and you think this is going to help empower those currently being victimized? So I guess people think that a whole slue of honest businessmen are going to adapt the trade and all of the scumbag pimps are going to move on to different lines of work. Why would anyone think that ? The argument which overturned the decision is quite simply wrong.

[Brenda]

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Legitimizing the industry is going to remove police presence from the sex trade

Au contraire.

[Delwin]

Old article but still relevant:

Canada Considers Further Legalizing Prostitution While Amsterdam Mayor Admits Legalization’s Failure

policemen in Amsterdam’s infamous red light district were quoted by Dutch media Friday as saying, “We are in the midst of modern slavery.” Due to the legalization of prostitution in the Netherlands in 2000, police are hampered in confronting the horrors that are characteristic of the sex trade.

http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/archiv ... t/05100508