[andyt]

If the Muslims had behaved peacefully, you'd have a point. But the rioted instead.

It's the Muslims that are reaching out. As I said, the polite thing to do would be to invite the Christians to their house first. Then the Christians would look pretty intolerant if they didn't reciprocate. But this looks more like a takeover attempt to me.

As Shep said, let the Muslims open the Hagia Sophia to Christian prayer - that would be an impressive first step.

[GreenTiger]

desertdude desertdude:

I dunno how relevant this is but here regular tours are conducted into mosques where anyone can come. I myself have taken German Jewish tourists to these. There are also other programs where you can join an interfaith discussion inside a mosque and during Ramadan certain local families welcome non muslim residents or tourists to iftar at home.

It's relevant and it is good. A lot of wars start oveer ignorence. If we can breakdown a few walls and learn to respect each other what can be better?

[Gunnair]

andyt andyt:

If the Muslims had behaved peacefully, you'd have a point. But the rioted instead.

It's the Muslims that are reaching out. As I said, the polite thing to do would be to invite the Christians to their house first. Then the Christians would look pretty intolerant if they didn't reciprocate. But this looks more like a takeover attempt to me.

As Shep said, let the Muslims open the Hagia Sophia to Christian prayer - that would be an impressive first step.

Again, you advocate status quo.

[andyt]

How is advocating the muslims follow their words with appropriate action advocating the status quo. But I'd rather have the status quo than Muslims pushing their way further into our society without reciprocity.

But OK, let's reverse it. The Christians allow the Muslims in to pray alongside them, then next day show up at the nearest mosque asking for the same thing. See how that works out, and which side riots this time. I suggest the Christians wear protective gear.

[stratos]

Andyt is not advocating Status Quo he's wantint tit for tat. Yet everyone's dogeing answering him but for DD.

DD not being funny here or anything but the site at Meca, can non Muslims go there? I was under the impression that non muslims were forbedon to enter the site. Just curious thats all.

[desertdude]

Personally I think its a bad idea, I for one find no rhyme or reason to go pray in a church and I don't think any Christian would want to do the opposite. And as a Muslim I am not constrained to pray only in mosques, we can pray anywhere on god good earth. In congregation or on our own.

I will say again what happened or happening is wrong. Its not somekind of holy shrine like the Kaaba or The prophets mosque, and I think its just clinging to the past, the sooner they get over it the better. And if for whatever reason they wanted to they could have asked the church politely and made their case and leave the decision up to the church and accepted the outcome.

It is absolutely wrong to show up one day and storm the church to create a ruckus. Nuff said.

[desertdude]

stratos stratos:

Andyt is not advocating Status Quo he's wantint tit for tat. Yet everyone's dogeing answering him but for DD.

DD not being funny here or anything but the site at Meca, can non Muslims go there? I was under the impression that non muslims were forbedon to enter the site. Just curious thats all.

Dude I've addressed this issue numerous times already over here. Search and yee shall find.

[GreenTiger]

stratos stratos:

Andyt is not advocating Status Quo he's wantint tit for tat. Yet everyone's dogeing answering him but for DD.

DD not being funny here or anything but the site at Meca, can non Muslims go there? I was under the impression that non muslims were forbedon to enter the site. Just curious thats all.

Yes indeed there is litterally a line painted on the ground with VERY large signs saying NON_MUSLEMS STOP HERE. It would not ne a good idea to be a wise ass and cross over.

It would be intersting to see what is in Mecca. There is a lot of history there.

[GreenTiger]

desertdude desertdude:

Personally I think its a bad idea, I for one find no rhyme or reason to go pray in a church and I don't think any Christian would want to do the opposite. And as a Muslim I am not constrained to pray only in mosques, we can pray anywhere on god good earth. In congregation or on our own.

I will say again what happened or happening is wrong. Its not somekind of holy shrine like the Kaaba or The prophets mosque, and I think its just clinging to the past, the sooner they get over it the better. And if for whatever reason they wanted to they could have asked the church politely and made their case and leave the decision up to the church and accepted the outcome.

It is absolutely wrong to show up one day and storm the church to create a ruckus. Nuff said.

I would look at it as both a Mosque and a Church or asynogogue all of them are a house of God. If you are a person of good faith what does it matter what is displayed on the wall.

[martin14]

GreenTiger GreenTiger:

desertdude desertdude:

Personally I think its a bad idea, I for one find no rhyme or reason to go pray in a church and I don't think any Christian would want to do the opposite. And as a Muslim I am not constrained to pray only in mosques, we can pray anywhere on god good earth. In congregation or on our own.

I will say again what happened or happening is wrong. Its not somekind of holy shrine like the Kaaba or The prophets mosque, and I think its just clinging to the past, the sooner they get over it the better. And if for whatever reason they wanted to they could have asked the church politely and made their case and leave the decision up to the church and accepted the outcome.

It is absolutely wrong to show up one day and storm the church to create a ruckus. Nuff said.

I would look at it as both a Mosque and a Church or asynogogue all of them are a house of God. If you are a person of good faith what does it matter what is displayed on the wall.

Asking people of different religions to behave with good faith
is usually asking too much.

[andyt]

This is just the Muslims trying to do the camel's nose in the tent thing. Pretty soon the camel's sleeping in the tent and you're not.

[martin14]

andyt andyt:

This is just the Muslims trying to do the camel's nose in the tent thing. Pretty soon the camel's sleeping in the tent and you're not.

gotta remember that one !

[GreenTiger]

andyt andyt:

This is just the Muslims trying to do the camel's nose in the tent thing. Pretty soon the camel's sleeping in the tent and you're not.

I like that example.

[GreenTiger]

martin14 martin14:

GreenTiger GreenTiger:

desertdude desertdude:

Personally I think its a bad idea, I for one find no rhyme or reason to go pray in a church and I don't think any Christian would want to do the opposite. And as a Muslim I am not constrained to pray only in mosques, we can pray anywhere on god good earth. In congregation or on our own.

I will say again what happened or happening is wrong. Its not somekind of holy shrine like the Kaaba or The prophets mosque, and I think its just clinging to the past, the sooner they get over it the better. And if for whatever reason they wanted to they could have asked the church politely and made their case and leave the decision up to the church and accepted the outcome.

It is absolutely wrong to show up one day and storm the church to create a ruckus. Nuff said.

I would look at it as both a Mosque and a Church or asynogogue all of them are a house of God. If you are a person of good faith what does it matter what is displayed on the wall.

Asking people of different religions to behave with good faith
is usually asking too much.

Why?

[martin14]

Almost every serious conflict in human history is control
of land many times shrouded in religion.

Common practise was to convert religious buildings from one
to another, and back again, then mix in your ancestors killed my ancestors,

and it turns into a pretty big mess.


Mixing religions is a bad idea, always has been.