[EyeBrock]

Curtman Curtman:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

no web access in jail?

You'd know about that from being drunk and disorderly, I've never been there.

I just stopped in to see how the apologists were spinning their defeat.

Hey, I think it's a good thing both ways. The LGR stays and the Libs and NDP take a hit.

No trafficking illegal narcotics today then?

Here's an interesting article from the Globe today titled;

"Long-gun vote switchers brace for blowback."

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/pol ... le1717663/

The Globe is known for CPC/Tory spins eh?

[andyt]

Hallelujah, it's over. Maybe now the pols can tackle something that actually merits worrying about.

[Curtman]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

The LRG stays and the Libs and NDP take a hit.

The Libs are higher in the polls than the Cons were during the end of the minority Martin government. The registry issue has polarized people, but it hasn't translated into support for the cons. All it will do is give the Lib's and NDP a reason to show up on election day. The only thing Harper had going for him was record low voter turnout.

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

No trafficking illegal narcotics today then?

It's everywhere EyeBrock.. Thanks to prohibition laws like S-10, organized crime makes more money trafficking illegal narcotics in this country than our government does selling cigarettes and alcohol.

[Zipperfish]

andyt andyt:

Hallelujah, it's over. Maybe now the pols can tackle something that actually merits worrying about.

It ain't over.

[EyeBrock]

Curtman Curtman:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

The LRG stays and the Libs and NDP take a hit.

The Libs are higher in the polls than the Cons were during the end of the minority Martin government. The registry issue has polarized people, but it hasn't translated into support for the cons. All it will do is give the Lib's and NDP a reason to show up on election day. The only thing Harper had going for him was record low voter turnout.

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

No trafficking illegal narcotics today then?

It's everywhere EyeBrock.. Thanks to prohibition laws like S-10, organized crime makes more money trafficking illegal narcotics in this country than our government does selling cigarettes and alcohol.

It's happened this week curt. The polls take a bit of time to catch up. Hey, I'm not trying to grind a partisan axe here. I think scrapping the LGR is silly after all the money, time and effort etc that has been expended. I think they should just fix it and solve the issues.

But, it's politics isn't it?

Silly issues like the fact that aboriginals on reserves don't have to register their Mohawk pattern AK-47's but Joe Newfy's rat shotgun has to be at the penalty of jail still exist.

Personally I think the pros of keeping the LGR outweigh the cons but now it's a political football and the Tories won't try and fix it, they just want it gone because it suits their political agenda. And dividing the electorate is on their agenda.

But as usual you come out shooting from the lip in the belligerant way we are all used to.

Try debate sometime.

[EyeBrock]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

andyt andyt:

Hallelujah, it's over. Maybe now the pols can tackle something that actually merits worrying about.

It ain't over.

I agree. It's just started.

[PostFactum]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

andyt andyt:

Hallelujah, it's over. Maybe now the pols can tackle something that actually merits worrying about.

It ain't over.

Do not dissapoint him=))

[ASLplease]

the quest to fight anti-rights legislation is slow and ongoing, this isnt over.

[Curtman]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Personally I think the pros of keeping the LGR outweigh the cons but now it's a political football and the Tories won't try and fix it, they just want it gone because it suits their political agenda. And dividing the electorate is on their agenda.

I don't believe they want it gone, they just want to play games dividing Eastern Canadians from Western Canadians, and Rural Canadians from Urban Canadians. They work very hard to make parliament dysfunctional, ideologically oppose any compromise, and then prorogue the house and blame the opposition which forms the majority of the house when nothing gets done.

It's tired, very very tired. Coalition time.

[Chumley]

Curtman Curtman:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Personally I think the pros of keeping the LGR outweigh the cons but now it's a political football and the Tories won't try and fix it, they just want it gone because it suits their political agenda. And dividing the electorate is on their agenda.

I don't believe they want it gone, they just want to play games dividing Eastern Canadians from Western Canadians, and Rural Canadians from Urban Canadians. They work very hard to make parliament dysfunctional, ideologically oppose any compromise, and then prorogue the house and blame the opposition which forms the majority of the house when nothing gets done.

It's tired, very very tired. Coalition time.

I would think it is more of a West/Central/East divisive issue. I don't think many on the east coast would support this.

[andyt]

Chumley Chumley:

I would think it is more of a West/Central/East divisive issue. I don't think many on the east coast would support this.

The east coast doesn't count.

[Chumley]

andyt andyt:

Chumley Chumley:

I would think it is more of a West/Central/East divisive issue. I don't think many on the east coast would support this.

The east coast doesn't count.

We count all the time. We count our pogey cheques

[bootlegga]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

bootlegga bootlegga:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

But, I do believe it's check-mate for rural Libs and NDP MP's.

They were already an endangered speices, just like Conservatives in big cities. If you look at the seat distribution, there's more seats in the cities anyways, so I don't see things changing that much really.

My guess is that Quebec will still vote Bloc, Alberta will stay Conservative, and most rural seats will go to Conservatives and most urban seats to Liberals/NDP. If anything, I expect the Liberals will rebound and get more seats in the next election, not fewer, especially given Harper's inability to gain in Quebec.

I disagree Boots. I think the Tories were on track for another minority but this LGR thing is golden for them. They aren't getting any seats in the 'elite' ridings anyway.
This will mean a lot of Lib marginal seats and a few NDP ones are in danger of becoming Tory ridings.

The CPC have cemented their policy of partisan politics. They sense traction with the LGR and elite thing and I think they are right. Easy sound bites for an apathetic public.

Tt's devisive politics taken to the next level, and it might just get them enough seats to get a majority.

I don’t see this as that much of an opportunity. Harper already has most of the rural ridings west of Quebec, so the opportunity for growth isn’t that much.

Just like I don’t see the Libs/NDP getting much in the way of urban ridings, as they own most of them too. Even suburban ridings around the Big 3 cities aren’t that concerned with this issue and I agree with Gunnair, apathy will take precedent over action. Most of those who care about the registry already vote Conservative.

If anything, I see this back-firing on Harper, as most Canadians don’t care for partisan politics very much.

[Yogi]

Results of vote that killed Bill C-391 on September 22
On September 22nd the House Commons voted to keep the federal long gun registry and kill Private Member’s Bill C-391 that sought to abolish it. The Bloc has unanimously supported the registry and the Conservatives have unanimously opposed the registry. In November 2009, eight Liberals, 12 New Democrats and one Independent joined 143 Conservatives in passing the Bill on second reading. Between November 2009 and the vote on September 22nd, Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff and NDP Leader Jack Layton were successful in convincing 15 of their caucus colleagues to change their votes and support the registry. Here is the results of the vote September 22:



1. The eight Liberals and six NDP MPs who changed their vote to kill Bill C-391:
The mailing address for all MPs: House of Commons Ottawa, ON K1A 0A6 (There is no postage required to mail an MP in the House of Commons.)

Anthony Rota
Liberal
Nipissing—Timiskaming
Ontario
Rota.A@parl.gc.ca
Ph: (613) 995-6255
Fax: (613) 996-7993
Jean-Claude D'Amours

Liberal
Madawaska—Restigouche
New Brunswick
Damours.J@parl.gc.ca

Ph: (613) 995-0581

Fax: (613) 996-9736
Keith Martin

Liberal
Esquimalt—Juan de Fuca

British Columbia
Martin.K@parl.gc.ca

Ph: (613) 996-2625
Fax: (613) 996-9779
Larry Bagnell

Liberal
Yukon
Bagnell.L@parl.gc.ca

Ph: (613) 995-9368
Fax: (613) 995-0945

Scott Andrews
Liberal
Avalon
Newfoundland and Labrador
Andrews.S@parl.gc.ca
Ph: (613) 992-4133

Fax: (613) 992-7277
Scott Simms
Liberal
Bonavista—Gander—Grand Falls—Windsor
Newfoundland and Labrador
Simms.S@parl.gc.ca
Ph: (613) 996-3935

Fax: (613) 996-7622
Todd Russell 

Liberal
Newfoundland and Labrador
Russell.T@parl.gc.ca

Ph: (613) 996-4630

Fax: (613) 996-7132
Wayne Easter
Liberal
Malpeque

Prince Edward Island
Easter.W@parl.gc.ca

Ph: (613) 992-2406
Fax: (613) 995-7408

Carol Hughes

NDP
Algoma—Manitoulin—
Kapuskasing
Ontario
Hughes.C@parl.gc.ca

Ph: (613) 996-5376
Fax: (613) 995-6661
Charlie Angus
NDP
Timmins-James Bay
Ontario
Angus.C@parl.gc.ca
Ph: (613) 992-2919
Fax: (613) 995-0747
Claude Gravelle
NDP
Nickel Belt
Ontario
Gravelle.C@parl.gc.ca
Ph: (613) 995-9107
Fax: (613) 995-9109
Glenn Thibeault
NDP
Sudbury
Ontario
Thibeault.G@parl.gc.ca
Ph: (613) 996-8962
Fax: (613) 995-2569

Malcolm Allen
NDP
Welland
Ontario
Allen.Ma@parl.gc.ca
Ph: (613) 995-0988
Fax: (613) 995-5245
Peter Stoffer
NDP
Sackville—Eastern Shore
Nova Scotia
Stoffer.P@parl.gc.ca
Ph: (613) 995-5822
Fax: (613) 996-9655




Or cut and paste the following (Uses ";" separation best for Outlook):

Rota.A@parl.gc.ca; Damours.J@parl.gc.ca; Martin.K@parl.gc.ca; Bagnell.L@parl.gc.ca; Andrews.S@parl.gc.ca;
Simms.S@parl.gc.ca; Russell.T@parl.gc.ca; Easter.W@parl.gc.ca; Hughes.C@parl.gc.ca; Angus.C@parl.gc.ca;
Gravelle.C@parl.gc.ca; Thibeault.G@parl.gc.ca; Allen.Ma@parl.gc.ca; Stoffer.P@parl.gc.ca

Or cut and paste the following (Uses "," separation best for other e-mail programs):

Rota.A@parl.gc.ca, Damours.J@parl.gc.ca, Martin.K@parl.gc.ca, Bagnell.L@parl.gc.ca,
Andrews.S@parl.gc.ca,Simms.S@parl.gc.ca, Russell.T@parl.gc.ca, Easter.W@parl.gc.ca, Hughes.C@parl.gc.ca,
Angus.C@parl.gc.ca,Gravelle.C@parl.gc.ca, Thibeault.G@parl.gc.ca, Allen.Ma@parl.gc.ca, Stoffer.P@parl.gc.ca



2. Two Opposition leaders who pressured MPs to change their vote and support the wasteful long-gun registry:
The mailing address for all MPs: House of Commons Ottawa, ON K1A 0A6 (There is no postage required to mail an MP in the House of Commons.)


Michael Ignatieff
(Liberal Leader of the Opposition)

Ph: 613-995-9364

Fax: 613-992-5880
E-Mail: Ignatieff.M@parl.gc.ca



Jack Layton
(NDP Leader of the Opposition)
Ph: 613-995-7224
Fax: 613-995-4565
E-mail: Layton.J@parl.gc.ca


3. The six NDP MPs who stood their ground and voted to abolish the wasteful long-gun registry:
The mailing address for all MPs: House of Commons Ottawa, ON K1A 0A6 (There is no postage required to mail an MP in the House of Commons.)

Bruce Hyer

NDP

Thunder Bay—Superior North
 Ontario

Hyer.B@parl.gc.ca

Ph: (613) 996-4792
Fax: (613) 996-9785
Dennis Bevington

NDP

Western Arctic

Northwest Territories
Bevington.D@parl.gc.ca

Ph: (613) 992-4587

Fax: (613) 992-1586
Jim Maloway

NDP

Elmwood—Transcona

Manitoba

Maloway.J@parl.gc.ca

Ph: (613) 995-6339

Fax: (613) 995-6688
John Rafferty


NDP

Thunder Bay—Rainy River
 Ontario

Rafferty.J@parl.gc.ca

Ph: (613) 992-3061

Fax: (613) 995-3515

Niki Ashton

NDP

Churchill

Manitoba

Ashton.N@parl.gc.ca

Ph: (613) 992-3018

Fax: (613) 996-5817
Nathan Cullen

NDP

Skeena—Bulkley Valley

British Columbia

Cullen.N@parl.gc.ca

Ph: (613) 993-6654

Fax: (613) 993-9007




Or cut and paste the following (Uses ";" separation best for Outlook):

Hyer.B@parl.gc.ca; Bevington.D@parl.gc.ca; Maloway.J@parl.gc.ca; Rafferty.J@parl.gc.ca; Ashton.N@parl.gc.ca; Cullen.N@parl.gc.ca

Or cut and paste the following (Uses "," separation best for other e-mail programs):

Hyer.B@parl.gc.ca, Bevington.D@parl.gc.ca, Maloway.J@parl.gc.ca, Rafferty.J@parl.gc.ca, Ashton.N@parl.gc.ca, Cullen.N@parl.gc.ca


4. The two Independent MPs who supported abolishing the wasteful long-gun registry:
The mailing address for all MPs: House of Commons Ottawa, ON K1A 0A6 (There is not postage required to mail an MP in the House of Commons.)

André Arthur


Independent

Portneuf-Jacques Cartier

Quebec

Arthur.A@parl.gc.ca


Ph: (613) 992-2798


Fax: (613) 995-1637


Hon. Helena Guergis

Independent Conservative


Simcoe—Grey


Ontario 
Guergis.H@parl.gc.ca


Ph: (613) 992-4224

Fax: (613) 992-2164




5. The two MPs who have led the fight to end the wasteful long-gun registry:
The mailing address for all MPs: House of Commons Ottawa, ON K1A 0A6 (There is not postage required to mail an MP in the House of Commons.)

Candice Hoeppner
Conservative 

Portage—Lisgar
Manitoba
Hoeppner.C@parl.gc.ca

Ph: (613) 995-9511

Fax: (613) 947-0313


Garry Brietkreuz

Conservative
Yorkton—Melville |
Saskatchewan 

Brietkreuz.G@parl.gc.ca

Ph: (613) 992-4392

Fax: (613) 992-8676

[fifeboy]

bootlegga bootlegga:

Sorry, but Kripsy Kreme in cowtown went out of business more than a year ago!

Poor old trit. I am sure he does not get coffee at Tim's. Too Canadian.