[Donny_Brasco]

PENATRATOR PENATRATOR:

Yes Don and the classy first nations "warriors" (that term makes me laugh) show such class while beating on the elderly, while masked.
Very noble citizens indeed.

I complain WHolly %$#@ talk aboout the pot calling the kettle black

Why did you avoid my legitimate question about the financial settlement you had mentioned earlier rather than pushing your usual bullshit?

You know when I was in university I worked at a security company. One day a few of the managers went Oka bashing.

the drove down the street in the hood till they foind a native walking alone.

Then they beat the shit out of that person.

And then they came and told me because I wasn't one of "those" natives.

Was that you pen? Because you don't strike me as being overly noble or classy either.

[dino_bobba_renno]

Donny_Brasco Donny_Brasco:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

It's no different to the bad land deals made by UEL's.

The difference these days is uneducated people shout louder than the historical facts, and get a willing venue in our self-destructive media.

Try reading the history Donny, but then why would you? It would prove you wrong.

Apparently someone really screwed up then. lol

I'm not arguing your historical facts. I'm arguing your facts don;t back up what the reality is today. No any how may times you yap about the way things should be because of these "facts" - in reality they make no sense.

I love how facts don't seem to matter to you when it comes to arguments against your posts but then suddenly mean the world when you're trying to back up your position.

[Donny_Brasco]

Thats what the whole legal profession is about my friend. Just ask your lawyer.

[llama66]

Donny_Brasco Donny_Brasco:

llama66 llama66:

Why should we as a nation give you really perks that almost all of us would kill for, all some of you do is bitch about how its not enough, and how the white man is to blame for all the problems faced by the first nations peoples, I think its time for the natives to learn about personal accountability.

Odd that you would complain that the deal you made with us to share the land we now call Canada is too good for the natives....

That is fine, you are free to object and if you don’t like it leave to whatever country you think you can make a better life without the burden of the obligations you have as a Non-aboriginal signatory to our treaties.

you can leave too, back to Russia, where your people came from many thousands of years ago, why should we leave? you can can go just as easily. its time to end this, and if things get violent, then thats too bad, Natives for too long have taken what they want (Ipperwash, Oka, and now Caledonia) its time to send the message that this kind of behavior is absolutely unacceptable. And Don before you launch your self into a tirade about native land claims and shit, we have a justice system for a reason try using it, and your issue is with the government not the town you hold hostage..

[OnTheIce]

llama66 llama66:

Donny_Brasco Donny_Brasco:

llama66 llama66:

Why should we as a nation give you really perks that almost all of us would kill for, all some of you do is bitch about how its not enough, and how the white man is to blame for all the problems faced by the first nations peoples, I think its time for the natives to learn about personal accountability.

Odd that you would complain that the deal you made with us to share the land we now call Canada is too good for the natives....

That is fine, you are free to object and if you don’t like it leave to whatever country you think you can make a better life without the burden of the obligations you have as a Non-aboriginal signatory to our treaties.

you can leave too, back to Russia, where your people came from many thousands of years ago, why should we leave? you can can go just as easily.

Why leave when you get everything handed to you?

[Donny_Brasco]

llama66 llama66:

Donny_Brasco Donny_Brasco:

llama66 llama66:

Why should we as a nation give you really perks that almost all of us would kill for, all some of you do is bitch about how its not enough, and how the white man is to blame for all the problems faced by the first nations peoples, I think its time for the natives to learn about personal accountability.

Odd that you would complain that the deal you made with us to share the land we now call Canada is too good for the natives....

That is fine, you are free to object and if you don’t like it leave to whatever country you think you can make a better life without the burden of the obligations you have as a Non-aboriginal signatory to our treaties.

you can leave too, back to Russia, where your people came from many thousands of years ago, why should we leave? you can can go just as easily.

I'm pretty sure I've fulfilled my treaty obligations to you. It's a two way street, but apparently you dont want to uphold your end of the bargan.

[llama66]

^yeah really^

[Donny_Brasco]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

Why leave when you get everything handed to you?

What did you hand to me?

[llama66]

so its cool to hold a town hostage? get real.

[llama66]

free education, housing, tax exemption, etc... I have to pay taxes, pay for my education, and I will have to pay for my house (if I can ever afford it) you wouldn't know how that feels...

[Lemmy]

Donny_Brasco Donny_Brasco:

I'm pretty sure I've fulfilled my treaty obligations to you. It's a two way street, but apparently you dont want to uphold your end of the bargan.

The problem, Donny, is I'm forced to uphold bargains that I didn't make. You call them "your end". I have no end. I have made no agreements with anyone, yet I am obligated to live up to them. That's going to have to change for there to be a happy co-existence.

[OnTheIce]

Donny_Brasco Donny_Brasco:

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

Why leave when you get everything handed to you?

What did you hand to me?

Let's not play the ignorant card when discussing how much tax payer dollars have gone into your communities, special projects and general Native pampering.

[Donny_Brasco]

llama66 llama66:

free education, housing, tax exemption, etc... I have to pay taxes, pay for my education, and I will have to pay for my house (if I can ever afford it) you wouldn't know how that feels...

Wow, your ignorance is outstanding. Is there a CKA award for Ignoramuus?

[Donny_Brasco]

Lemmy Lemmy:

Donny_Brasco Donny_Brasco:

I'm pretty sure I've fulfilled my treaty obligations to you. It's a two way street, but apparently you dont want to uphold your end of the bargan.

The problem, Donny, is I'm forced to uphold bargains that I didn't make. You call them "your end". I have no end. I have made no agreements with anyone, yet I am obligated to live up to them. That's going to have to change for there to be a happy co-existence.

So I have to give up what is rightfully mine for you to be happy? I don't think so.

[EyeBrock]

The Mohawks sold their land grants off, just like the United Empire Loyalists did.

That's the historical facts in issue and that's the fact that you cannot counter, card carrying Indians or not.

It's time this dispute was looked at in simple terms without the rhetoric of other treaty claims that do have validity.

The Mohawk claim is not one of them and your blind support of them, mixed with your blind contempt of the 'white-man' and Canadian laws, shows me (and I'm sure others feel the same) that your arguments are not well thought out.

You respond with purely emotional responses on this issue.

This is not a credible response and you continue to ignore the facts and can't see how unfair it is to the people caught in the middle of a groundless claim.

This is the attitude that is losing you support outside the Aboriginal community in Canada and this is the attitude that will see the Mohawks defeated.