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PostPosted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 1:43 pm
 


No Real Justice for Tim McLean or prevention for it to happen again.

Tim McLean - 22yr old Canadian
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 1:45 pm
 


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This is undeniably tragic but the right outcome. This man was totally insane and could not tell right from wrong. If that's the case, you are "not criminally responsible" according to the Criminal Code. He may well spend his entire life in a psychiatric hospital.




Hopefully your right, but given the Canadian Governments propensity for dumping mentally ill people on the street to keep costs down I wouldn't bet on it.

This isn't the US where a criminally insane conviction leads to life in a mental institute, unless a panel of experts says you've been cured.

My guess is that we'll be reading about this guy again in eight to ten years when he commits another horrendous act because "he's off his meds".


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 1:46 pm
 


This topic contains some of the most inane comments I’ve seen on this board.

This man deserves to be locked up for a very long time, not because he killed someone, but because he’s a threat to do it again BECAUSE HE’S SICK. Schizophrenia as severe as in this case (which by the way is not “curable”) means he was sick for a long time before and unless there’s a medical breakthrough is going to require that he never be released.

Any person who commits murder WITH INTENT deserves the death penalty in my opinion. Anyone committing murder without that intent must be handled differently. In this case the man has no intent because he wasn’t in his right mind.

More to the point, there are thousands of people out on the streets in most cities that are in various levels of mental disease that aren’t treated until they do something to break a law and get arrested. Even then there’s no place to put them. Years ago we had sanatoriums to put these people for long term treatment. The government thought they could save a few bucks and released anyone who was able to stand up and walk out the doors. We see the results on the downtown east side and in horrible events like this one.

The victim who died was innocent. The person who killed him is also innocent. The guilty ones are politicians that allowed people like this to walk among us rather than treating them like the sick individuals they are.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 1:47 pm
 


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Canadian justice at its best! I feel for the family of the victim and the people on the bus who experienced this all.

Of course he is crazy but he should also be held responsible for what he has done and should have a minimum of 25 years in the loonie bin

So, here we go, 25 years, with possible parole after 7? or 11? And then he gets out early for good behaviour?

I rather see him locked up in a mental facility. At least IF he ever gets out of there (which I highly doubt) he will have been treated. He won't be in prison.



Ya know what? to hell with it just shoot him! right outside of the loonie bin and tell the patients, this is what happens when you dont take your medicine! :twisted: bet cha the majority straighten out real quik!


They will remember to take their medicine! :twisted:


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 1:49 pm
 


He was also locked up in 2004:

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WINNIPEG — In early September, 2005, Toronto police picked up a “dishevelled and confused” Chinese immigrant as he wandered aimlessly along the city's Highway 427.

Over the previous months, the hard-working, church-going Winnipegger had begun hearing what he thought were commands from God.

The orders started as general advice, but gradually morphed into more bizarre instructions – buy land he couldn't afford in Thompson, Man., travel to Toronto for work, and dispose of all his personal belongings, according to a psychiatric report released Wednesday in the Manitoba Court of Queen's Bench.

Failing in his Toronto job search, the man was apparently commanded to return home. So he began walking. For several days, he followed the sun along Toronto's highway system until police found him and, against his will, took him to the emergency room at William Osler Health Centre in Etobicoke.

Within 10 days, Vince Li said that he fled the hospital and returned to Winnipeg, defying doctors who had begun treating him for schizophrenia, according to the report.

Nearly three years later, during a similar hallucinatory road trip, Mr. Li hacked his seat-mate aboard a Greyhound bus more than 100 times with a four-inch buck knife before dismembering and cannibalizing Tim McLean's body.




http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ ... ional/home

Yeah for canadian justice :roll:


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 1:50 pm
 


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But there is no guarantee he wont be out, maybe not in a week, but
3-4 years ?

and what about the rest of us ?


Well we'll just have to trust that if he is released in 3-4 years, he will have been treated in some way, convinced to keep taking medication, something, in those years.



'We' have already been down that road! Vincent Li was under the care of doctors and being trusted to take his medications, and at some point chose not to. Clearly unwilling or unable to truly understand the potential consequences of that choice. Tim McLean paid for that decision with his life in one of the most horrific ways ever witnessed by others. They also are victims of Vincent Li's decision not to take the perscribed medications.

'We' are now at the point in time where not being any better than Vincent Li cannot be used by anyone as a valid argument for keeping him alive unless those people who hold such an opinion can truly say, without a hint of reservation that they would have no problem with one of their own loved ones being another of Vincent Li's travelling companions!

Society cannot guarantee any of us 'safe passage on our journey through life', but whereverclear-cut cases of danger exist such as in this case, Our safety and well-being must come first at any cost.

'APPEARANCES BE DAMNED!


Bullshit.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 1:52 pm
 


ridenrain ridenrain:
He was also locked up in 2004:

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WINNIPEG — In early September, 2005, Toronto police picked up a “dishevelled and confused” Chinese immigrant as he wandered aimlessly along the city's Highway 427.

Over the previous months, the hard-working, church-going Winnipegger had begun hearing what he thought were commands from God.

The orders started as general advice, but gradually morphed into more bizarre instructions – buy land he couldn't afford in Thompson, Man., travel to Toronto for work, and dispose of all his personal belongings, according to a psychiatric report released Wednesday in the Manitoba Court of Queen's Bench.

Failing in his Toronto job search, the man was apparently commanded to return home. So he began walking. For several days, he followed the sun along Toronto's highway system until police found him and, against his will, took him to the emergency room at William Osler Health Centre in Etobicoke.

Within 10 days, Vince Li said that he fled the hospital and returned to Winnipeg, defying doctors who had begun treating him for schizophrenia, according to the report.

Nearly three years later, during a similar hallucinatory road trip, Mr. Li hacked his seat-mate aboard a Greyhound bus more than 100 times with a four-inch buck knife before dismembering and cannibalizing Tim McLean's body.




http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ ... ional/home

Yeah for canadian justice :roll:


What had he done to that point that would have justified locking him up?


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 1:54 pm
 


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No Real Justice for Tim McLean or prevention for it to happen again.


This is an awfully melodramatic response to the murder of someone I'm going to assume you never met or knew.

If you've read the article, why does it have to keep being drilled into your head that Li is going to a mental hospital, and probably for the rest of his life?

When you said you read the article, do you actually mean you read the headline, looked at the picture inlay and then wrote a dozen posts about how something you know next to nothing about makes you sick?


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 1:56 pm
 


I hope when he get's out he moves next door to you Hurley.


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hurley_108 hurley_108:
What had he done to that point that would have justified locking him up?


We're father down the road and right back to where we started except one innocent person is dead. I think we could successfully argue that it was not what he had done but what he could do.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 1:59 pm
 


romanP romanP:
JustKate JustKate:
No Real Justice for Tim McLean or prevention for it to happen again.


This is an awfully melodramatic response to the murder of someone I'm going to assume you never met or knew.

If you've read the article, why does it have to keep being drilled into your head that Li is going to a mental hospital, and probably for the rest of his life?

When you said you read the article, do you actually mean you read the headline, looked at the picture inlay and then wrote a dozen posts about how something you know next to nothing about makes you sick?

It doesn't matter if anyone here knew him, it could have been anyone. I've ridden many greyhound buses, it could have been me. The fact that he might be in a hospital for the rest of his life isn't good enough.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 2:01 pm
 


ridenrain ridenrain:
He was also locked up in 2004:

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The orders started as general advice, but gradually morphed into more bizarre instructions – buy land he couldn't afford in Thompson, Man., travel to Toronto for work, and dispose of all his personal belongings, according to a psychiatric report released Wednesday in the Manitoba Court of Queen's Bench.

Failing in his Toronto job search, the man was apparently commanded to return home. So he began walking. For several days, he followed the sun along Toronto's highway system until police found him and, against his will, took him to the emergency room at William Osler Health Centre in Etobicoke.


Yeah for canadian justice :roll:


Call me ignorant, but I was not aware that it is illegal to buy land you can't afford, travel to find work, get rid of your belongings, or walk along a road for several days without food or water. Unwise decisions perhaps, but not illegal.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 2:02 pm
 


ridenrain ridenrain:
hurley_108 hurley_108:
What had he done to that point that would have justified locking him up?


We're father down the road and right back to where we started except one innocent person is dead. I think we could successfully argue that it was not what he had done but what he could do.


Aha! I knew it! You stole the crystal ball that allows the justice system to know the future before it happens!


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 2:07 pm
 


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I hope when he get's out he moves next door to you Hurley.


I hope for the same. Just said on CTV that he will be evaluated every year. WTF?


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 2:09 pm
 


RUEZ RUEZ:
It doesn't matter if anyone here knew him, it could have been anyone.


If you're going to be angry and outraged over the death of a private individual, you might want to make sure you knew them first. I don't know about you, but I don't spend a lot of time visiting cemeteries to plant flowers on the gravestones of people that aren't related to me and that I have no connection to whatsoever, much less lamenting their death on an internet message board. It's just a tad creepy.

$1:
I've ridden many greyhound buses, it could have been me. The fact that he might be in a hospital for the rest of his life isn't good enough.


When I said "probably", I meant there isn't much chance he's going to go free. Sorry if you had trouble interpreting that rather obvious sentiment.


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