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Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 1:19 pm
never said we shouldn't call them hypocrites, but if you want me to say Harper is a giant hypocrite then I will ask the same for Dion (who was the leader at the time).
and just for the record a court hasn't found Harper guilty of anything while in this specific case, the liberals have been found guilty. Again, lets compare apples to apples. If Harper is found guilty for doing wrong, let him hang. So far, he hasn't. We will just have to see how that libel suit pans out.
And lets not talk about some of the missteps cabinet ministers took under crooked face shall we? His list of 'issues' is much longer than the CPC so I would open that box.
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HyperionTheEvil
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Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 1:19 pm
DerbyX DerbyX: Brenda Brenda: HyperionTheEvil HyperionTheEvil: And yet he went on defending the liberals as doing great while they broke the law. how is that not a disconnect?
So you still can't seperate the 2? Derb never said he agreed with that, right? So, that stage is passed, you can stop blaming Derb. Next point, they paid off a debt, and lowered the percentage everyone has to pay. It is still low, right? So how can you say they didn't do great? Same reason he won't admit Harper is a hypocrite for doing what he complained about. Same reason he won't admit that Chretien and Martin are obviously innocent of adscam. Same reason he won't admit the liberals were prefectly right to use the EI fund to pay down the debt and .... Its the same reason he won't admit I busted his ass on his statement that the Liberals illegally balanced the budget when the supreme court acknowledged they did it legally up till 2002 and by then the budget was balanced and debt being repaid...he is an intellectual coward!  Derby you poked your partisan rhetroical nose into a thread where the verdict was already given I proceeded to chop it off. You dropped a throw away line $1: The liberals did great And then could not or would not explain how breaking the law makes the Liberal party great, and heaped a pile of moral equivlancy (something which you have drided on several occasions for you own benefit). You finally admitted pages on and now are spluttering on , still, about how bad the CPC is. To my knowdge the CPC hasn't been found guilty in the supreme court like the liberal party has Next time you post something you might want to think first
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Brenda
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Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 1:20 pm
RUEZ RUEZ: Brenda Brenda: Next point, they paid off a debt, and lowered the percentage everyone has to pay. It is still low, right? So how can you say they didn't do great? They made it harder for people to collect EI and reduced peoples benefits. The EI fund should first and foremost be used for it's intended purpose and then can be used for reducing the debt. Oh, I agree with that. But what strikes me about this whole thing, is that when this EI fund wouldn't have been used to pay off that debt, some tax would, that we all have to pay into too, including the lower incomes. They percentage that we all pay is still low (according to the stats Derb posted), and I don't think there would have been a difference if they did go to Pariament first. (then again, wth do I know?  ) Then, it should be hard to collect EI. Canada is not a welfare (or EI) haven... Nor shouldn't it be.
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Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 1:24 pm
when were the CPC found guilty? I think Hyper needs to check his sentence to wasn't found.  /end
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HyperionTheEvil
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Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 1:28 pm
uwish uwish: when were the CPC found guilty? I think Hyper needs to check his sentence to wasn't found.  /end fixed
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Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 1:28 pm
uwish uwish: never said we shouldn't call them hypocrites, but if you want me to say Harper is a giant hypocrite then I will ask the same for Dion (who was the leader at the time).
and just for the record a court hasn't found Harper guilty of anything while in this specific case, the liberals have been found guilty. Again, lets compare apples to apples. If Harper is found guilty for doing wrong, let him hang. So far, he hasn't. We will just have to see how that libel suit pans out.
And lets not talk about some of the missteps cabinet ministers took under crooked face shall we? His list of 'issues' is much longer than the CPC so I would open that box. Well, you said you don't liek the term impling its not being fair. I understood that to mean we shouldn't call them hypocrites because they are expected to complain about the ruling party doing things they themselves would do. To use a hockey anology its like complaining to the ref about the other team doing things your team is doing. Expected? Yes, Right? I don't think so especially as I used to ref. Crooked face? Seems I got called out by somebody complaining my oppostion to Harper is just because I don't like him to which I responded with "my issue with Harper is based on his policies not him personally" I'm not calling him plastic hair or helmet head am I? Also, you want apples to apples? 10+ years compared to Harpers 2+ and you want to compare length? We got a whole thread that would beg to differ.
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Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 1:30 pm
Brenda Brenda: Then, it should be hard to collect EI. Canada is not a welfare (or EI) haven... Nor shouldn't it be. EI isn't free money. It's an insurance policy that most workers pay into. In the old days you could even quit your job and collect EI after a longer waiting period, and you would collect it for a full year. I'm not against using excess funds to pay off our debt, because it helps us all in the long run. However EI should be used for it's intended purpose first and foremost, and the government shouldn't reduce workers benefits so that money can be used elsewhere.
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Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 1:31 pm
HyperionTheEvil HyperionTheEvil: Derby you poked your partisan rhetroical nose into a thread where the verdict was already given I proceeded to chop it off. You dropped a throw away line $1: The liberals did great And then could not or would not explain how breaking the law makes the Liberal party great, and heaped a pile of moral equivlancy (something which you have drided on several occasions for you own benefit). You finally admitted pages on and now are spluttering on , still, about how bad the CPC is. To my knowdge the CPC hasn't been found guilty in the supreme court like the liberal party has Next time you post something you might want to think first You ran like a coward when I confronted you and refused to answer 4 question that another person did in your place. You botched every attempt at reading my posts and understood nothing. Oh, and you are still running like the intellectual coward you are. Your done. 'nuff said.
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Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 1:33 pm
i like helmet head!
you can refer to Harper as such as long as I can continue to refer to Chretien as crooked face.
Go helmet head! (sounds like he is a transformer)
10 yrs vs 2 years I think the liberal list is still longer. In fact I am pretty sure of it, so I was giving the benefit of the doubt but you called yourself on that one.
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HyperionTheEvil
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Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 1:35 pm
DerbyX DerbyX: HyperionTheEvil HyperionTheEvil: Derby you poked your partisan rhetroical nose into a thread where the verdict was already given I proceeded to chop it off. You dropped a throw away line $1: The liberals did great And then could not or would not explain how breaking the law makes the Liberal party great, and heaped a pile of moral equivlancy (something which you have drided on several occasions for you own benefit). You finally admitted pages on and now are spluttering on , still, about how bad the CPC is. To my knowdge the CPC hasn't been found guilty in the supreme court like the liberal party has Next time you post something you might want to think first You ran like a coward when I confronted you and refused to answer 4 question that another person did in your place. You botched every attempt at reading my posts and understood nothing. Oh, and you are still running like the intellectual coward you are. Your done. 'nuff said. And the topic of the thread was about the liberal party. you attempted some partisan spin and i caught you son and called you out on it. when you learn to deabte the issues at hand youll get a lot better at this
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Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 1:39 pm
uwish uwish: i like helmet head!
you can refer to Harper as such as long as I can continue to refer to Chretien as crooked face.
Go helmet head! (sounds like he is a transformer)
10 yrs vs 2 years I think the liberal list is still longer. In fact I am pretty sure of it, so I was giving the benefit of the doubt but you called yourself on that one. Well all you have to do is go to the thread. Of course I can point out that if Harpers is that long after only 2 years compared to 10 for Chretien, or 13 to be precise since the list includes stuff about Martin as well then I suggest you vote NDP. Layton hasn't even had a chance to start yet. Still it seems awfully hypocritical for you to complain I'm resorting to personal attacks when you freely admit you want to keep using a personal slur in referrinf to Chretien. Is that hypocritical or are we expected to insult the members of the parties we don't support? (see what I did there?)
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Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 1:48 pm
HyperionTheEvil HyperionTheEvil:
And the topic of the thread was about the liberal party. you attempted some partisan spin and i caught you son and called you out on it. when you learn to deabte the issues at hand youll get a lot better at this
Dodge, Deny, Deflect, Deceive, and Spin. Congrats. You just upgraded to the all new 4DS con attack. 
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Brenda
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Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 1:53 pm
RUEZ RUEZ: Brenda Brenda: Then, it should be hard to collect EI. Canada is not a welfare (or EI) haven... Nor shouldn't it be. EI isn't free money. It's an insurance policy that most workers pay into. In the old days you could even quit your job and collect EI after a longer waiting period, and you would collect it for a full year. I'm not against using excess funds to pay off our debt, because it helps us all in the long run. However EI should be used for it's intended purpose first and foremost, and the government shouldn't reduce workers benefits so that money can be used elsewhere. Fair enough
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Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 5:48 pm
lily lily: ziggy ziggy: I dont have time anyways,have to go to a course I need to work allmost anywhere in Alberta,most will be getting it paid by EI but I have to pay my own way. EI paid for a whole whack of courses for you not so long ago. 3 years and 9 months ago,and I had to pay back allmost all of anything I got the next tax year,they dont tell you the amount,just add 5 or 6 thousand to your tax bill.You have to pay it back in Alberta,not sure about the other provinces but it's more of a loan then anything here. Never again,the $150.00 I spent today will be a tax write off now. 
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Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 8:39 pm
So it seems the taxpayers were paying domwn the debt and the Liberals took credit.
Cements the reason why I will never vote for those shysters.
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