[RUEZ]

hurley_108 hurley_108:

RUEZ RUEZ:

hurley_108 hurley_108:

It has nothing to do with post count. He's been here about ten days and feels he can judge my contribution to the site. But thanks for being a cheerleader.

Aren't accusations of being a cheerleader a bannable offense?

I doubt it.

[Scattered]

hurley_108 hurley_108:

The politics of it stink for sure, but having studied as a physicist, I like it when two different measures of what ought to be the same thing (in this case, Canada's long-term average political leanings) have the same result.

Exactly - it's all a matter of perspective and picking your battles. This isn't worth stress.

Honestly, Liberal or Conservative, overall, can anyone here say they're proud of their elected representatives?

[Thanos]

hurley_108 hurley_108:

I deeply resent my old sig photo being used in such a partisan and inflammatory manner!

[Thanos]

DerbyX DerbyX:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

I'm not seeing the problem. Harper, a Conservative, appointed Conservatives as Senators.

Excuse me, but sfw?

The problem is that he is doing it against he previous statements not to appoint senators and he is doing it at a time when parliment is suspended.

Aside from that its more about us calling him and his supporters out for being hypocrites.

I fully expect Harper to appoint conservative senators when he is PM. Fairs fair but just don't complain when the Liberals do it if you support your guy doing it.

Who's complaining? Senate reform is a dead issue anyway because the federal Liberals and Quebec won't let it happen.

As for myself, I'm immensely enjoying watching Liberals get all twisted and rage-frothing every time they find out (the hard way usually) that with Harper they've found themselves an opponent who is determined enough to play the game with the exact same street fighter viciousness that the Liberals use themselves. Maybe you guys should all re-aquaint yourselves, as apparently Stephen Harper did, with Warren Kinsella's "How To Kick Ass In Canadian Politics" instead of wallowing in the phoney pretense of being such pristine virginal angels who, gosh darnit all, never have a naughty thought all the live-long day.

[DerbyX]

commanderkai commanderkai:

DerbyX DerbyX:

The problem is that he is doing it against he previous statements not to appoint senators and he is doing it at a time when parliment is suspended.

Aside from that its more about us calling him and his supporters out for being hypocrites.

I fully expect Harper to appoint conservative senators when he is PM. Fairs fair but just don't complain when the Liberals do it if you support your guy doing it.

How is it hypocritical? He wants an elected Senate, but there can never be an elected Senate since the Liberal Party will not support it, and as such, the Liberal Senate members will not support Senate reform. What do you want him to do? Make provinces hold elections that have absolutely no actual legitimacy in the Canadian Parliamentary system?

Do you want him to leave those seats vacant? I fully support Senate reform, but since the Liberal party is against such a thing, we might as well try to shift the Senate into our favor, no?

Did you not read where I fully expected Harper to appoint senators under the same system as the Libs?

Thats not the hypocracry. The hypocracy is that he is doing it against his earlier statements and when parliment is in session.

In addition we are calling out the hypocrites who attacked the Liberals for using the tradtional method of senate appointement then reacted with glee whe Harper does it.

[jason700]

RUEZ RUEZ:

jason700 jason700:

It really annoys me when ppl with 5,000+ posts think that someone else doesn't know anything about politics because they're new here. Do you really judge peoples intelligence by how often they post on an online forum?

Must suck to be you. Show me where I said a high post count is indicative of someones intelligence?

No, I'm fine. So I guess your answer is "no"?

[HyperionTheEvil]

Tegan Tegan:

The timing of Harper's appointments is rather dumb in that Parliament has been shut which is not an ideal time for appointments. Moreover it implies that he is not serious about considering input on his budget from the Coalition, since otherwise he would not antagonize them.

That being the case, why did he bother peroguing Parliament and why did the GG contribute to this mess.

Why didn't the lberal party, supposedly a stalwart of democracy , reform it a decade ago?

[bootlegga]

commanderkai commanderkai:

bootlegga bootlegga:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Insofar as stacking the Senate goes, how about a compromise position of "Chretien, bad, Martin bad, Harper bad."

Sounds fair to me.

I'm going to go with unelected Senate=bad. Which basically means the same thing.

Again, that sounds fair to me.

[Mowich]

Reading the Globe and Mail article on this topic today provided me with my first good laugh of the day. The oppositon parties handed this to Mr. Harper on a plate when they refused to pass a bill in the House which would in effect begin the process of Senate reform. The only reason they are belly-aching now is due to the fact that they had their eyes on these seats themselves and may now be denied the opportunity. Stack the Senate, Stephen. You were opposed by the oppostion on reforming the Senate and we may very well need those Conservative Senators.

[mtbr]

Mowich Mowich:

Reading the Globe and Mail article on this topic today provided me with my first good laugh of the day. The oppositon parties handed this to Mr. Harper on a plate when they refused to pass a bill in the House which would in effect begin the process of Senate reform. The only reason they are belly-aching now is due to the fact that they had their eyes on these seats themselves and may now be denied the opportunity. Stack the Senate, Stephen. You were opposed by the oppostion on reforming the Senate and we may very well need those Conservative Senators.

They can all cry now but senate reform was opposed by who? , Liberal senators.

[Gunnair]

RUEZ RUEZ:

ryan29 ryan29:

he's not lying , he had talked about doing this rate after the election , was several articles on it then ( not just since the coalition issues )

and its within his rights as PM to appoint these senators like others before him have , paul martin during his short minority appointed a bunch of senators so this is not that usually for a minority parliament .

myself i hope the senate is one day elected but for the time being this will have to do and the liberals allready have a majority in the senate so a few more conservatives there will not hurt .

Damn rights. I find it appalling that the opposition is calling him a hypocrite for doing what he is entitled to do.

True enough, mind he's calling the opposition undemocratic and their actions illegal for what they're entitled to do...

[Gunnair]

RUEZ RUEZ:

Tegan Tegan:

RUEZ RUEZ:

The ignorance here is astounding.

Well, your contribution is close to being the greatest in that regard.

Coming from you I'll take that as a compliment. So how long have you been here?

Veteran idiots are still idiots...

[Scape]

Rex: Harper's Second Gift

$1:

The Liberals finally got their act together. Just in time to capitalize on Stephen Harper's second misstep - 18 Senate appointments, says Rex

[HyperionTheEvil]

RUEZ RUEZ:

You really expect any change in the senate when it's loaded with Liberals? The ignorance here is astounding.

Not really, for the liberal party members that's a regular state. Along with denial, and breaking the law, two HRDC scandals , adscam, the gun registry and the 'coalition'


Other than that

$1:

The liberals did great

[DerbyX]

1- "In and Out" electoral fraud
2- The Chuck Cadman Affair
3- Mulroney-Schreiber-MacKay
4- The Tom Lukiwski-Brad Wall Racism/Homophobia Debacle
5- Obamagate
6- Maxime Bernier's bungling in Afghanistan
7- Tory lies about the mission in Afghanistan
8- Submarine maintenance shenanigans
9- Reneging on Atlantic Accord
10- The Shafting of Bill Casey
11- Printing and distributing partisan flyers on the taxpayer's nickel
12- Broken promises on Arctic icebreakers
13- Michael Fortier: An unelected Senator appointed to cabinet
14- The Isotope/NRC Scandal
15- Tory nomination irregularities including wholesale bribery
16- Billions wasted in Afghanistan
17- Reneging on promise of no more political porking
18- Reneging on promise of openness and accountability
19- Flip-flopping on floor crossers
20- Flip-flopping on political patronage
21- Eliminating the surplus through mismanagement
22- Back-tracking on tax cuts
23- Shelving SAR replacement plans
24- Strangling of the Air Force
25- Navy running out of gas
26- Ottawa municipal election bribing
27- Massive abuse of Parliamentary committee process
28- "Friends of Science" electoral fraud
29- Lies about "Canada First" defence policy
30- Broken promises on income trusts
31- Rob Anders defrauds taxpayers
32- Jim Flaherty breaks government contracting rules
33- Gordon O'Connor lies about Afghan detainees and their torture
34- Jean-Pierre Blackburn: Lavish travel expenses
35- Lawrence Cannon: Lavish travel expenses
36- Bev Oda: Lavish travel expenses
37- Josée Verner: Lavish travel expenses
38- Wajid Khan: Lavish travel expenses
39- Wajid Khan: The Phantom Report
40- Harper's taxpayer-funded image consultant
41- Bev Oda's "cosy relationship" with CanWest
42- Diane Finlay's "cosy relationship" with Simcoe Leaf Tobacco Co.
43- Michael Fortier's "cosy relationship" with CGI Group Inc.
44- Jim Flaherty's "cosy relationship" with developer Mario Cortelluci
45- Stephen Harper exceeds donation limit to party
46- So-Con censorship of the arts
47- The CPC's "cosy relationship" with the Frontier Centre for Public Policy - because we wouldn't want any electoral reform, now would we?
48- July 2000 Jim Hart takes party to court over bribe offer to vacate position for Stockwell Day
49- 2002 Ezra Levant settles privately to vacate in favour of Stephen Harper
50- 2005 Alan Ridell's claim of $50000 bribe to vacate in favour of star Tory candidate is vindicated
51- 2005 Gurmant Grewal is rebuked for his conduct involving Liberal Ujjal Dosanjh
52- 2006 CPC up to its neck involved with Ottawa mayor Larry O'Brien's influence peddling scandal
53- Tories block investigation into Afghan detainees/torture issue
54- Tories turn back on women's rights
55- Tories turn back on language minority rights
56- Chuck Strahl's strong-arm tactics against Canadian Wheat Board
57- Tories invade privacy in ongoing vendetta against Canadian Wheat Board
58- Cons surrender Canadian sovereignty with deal to let US military into Canada
59- Conservative hostility to aboriginal Canadians: Broken promises on Kelowna Accord
60- Stephen Harper's intimate relationship with Christian fundie nutter Charles McVety
61- Stephen Harper's lavish travel expenses - Challenger flights to hockey games
62- Elimination of Court Challenges Programme: What the hell, it's just a bunch of minorities...
63- Boeing C-17: Massive waste of money
64- Broken promise: Harper ditches public appointments commission
65- Tory orgy of patronage
66- Administrative incompetence
67- Jim Flaherty's undermining of investor confidence in Ontario
68- Harper protects Zaccardelli: Why?
69- Tory neglect of Canadian heritage
70- Maurice Vellacott lies about the Supreme Court
71- Appointment of Tory reps in ridings where Tories weren't elected: Subversion of Canadian democracy
72- Government abandons Canadian in Sudan - "pfft... he's black, eh?"
73- Disrespect and disregard for House of Commons
74- Subversion of Canadian Democracy: Tories slander Elections Canada
75- Introduction of discriminatory immigration bill
76- Tory sabotage of the Immigration and Refugee Board
77- Tories axe information registry, a registry used by lawyers, academics, journalists and ordinary citizens to hold government accountable
78- Tories attempt to muzzle scientists and misrepresent findings that don't fit their ideology
79- Cons' neglect of child poverty
80- Assault on accountability and openness: Tories attempt to muzzle auditor-general
81- CONS flout House on Peace Tower flag vote
82- Broken promise by MacKay to Orchard in the merger of the Canadian Alliance with the Progressive Conservative Party
83- Tory hypocrites flip-flop on EI surplus
84- Canadian Olympic gear made.... outside Canada
85- CONS begin dismantling federal government - "Canada First", eh?
86- "They're just a bunch of faggots, eh": Harper snubs AIDS summit
87- Tories cheat on polling expenses: More "In-and-Out"
88- More CON hypocrisy as CON leadership threatens free-thinking party members: This is the party of grassroots democracy?
89- CON candidate smuggles booze across Canada-US border
90- Maxime Bernier's ties to organised crime
91- Tories turn their backs on Canadians facing death penalty abroad
92- Bev Oda lies about travel expenses; breaks Treasury Board rules
93- Jim Flaherty lies about the national debt
94- Bernier's fraternisation with Montreal businessman currently facing criminal charges
95- Mulroney-era Tory hack Harvie Andre on the take with Harper
96- Grotesque Tory bullying of public servants
97- CONS oppose UN Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples
98- Tories' abysmally cheap aid effort for Burma
99- CONS' so-called thirty year plan for military: No details, no accountability
100- The scapegoating of Linda Keen
101- Whoreper uses soldiers as political props
102- CONS use police to stifle peaceful dissent to NAU
103- Tories strangle AECL
104- CONS launch frivolous lawsuits against opposition then deny legal aid to defence
105- Maxime Bernier's lavish travel expenses
106- Josée Verner: On the take and using centuries-old parliamentary privilege to dodge the consequences: This is the party of Refoooooorm?!?
107- CONS shun Geneva Convention and leave a Canadian to rot in Gitmo: So much for the presumption of innocence
108- Tories buy an unreliable lemon: The C-17
109- Maxime Bernier (gotta love this dude!) promises unavailable C-17 to Myanmar
110- Rona Ambrose dictates what public servants can do in their spare time
111- Vic Toews' "family values"
112- Tory blunder spreads misinformation about Italy's role in Afghanistan
113- Jim Prentice: Wikipedia antics on the taxpayer's nickel
114- CON hack Kristin Anderson raking it in as lobbyist
115- Pierre Poilievre: Indians are just lazy
116- Bernard Coté: Another Tory in the sack with mob moll Julie Couillard
117- Bill C-61: CONS sell Canadians out to corporate interests
118- Cons cut aboriginal language revitalisation programme: "What the hell, they're just a bunch of lazy drunks, eh?"
119- CONS use government resources to help fill their election war chest by mixing fundraising with department business
120- Monte Solberg appoints Julie Couillard's mom, Diane Bellemare, to Employment Insurance Board
121- Tories renege on promise to Africa
122- Tories gag Canadian Wheat Board; break constitutional law
123- CONS contravene Wheat Board Act
124- Harper government muzzles Chief Public Health Officer
125- Tory invasion of privacy in salary talks with judges
126- Whoreper shamelessly panders to Quebec nationalists, Mulroney style
127- Ultra-crass Tory blunderer Maxime Bernier makes the army jump through hoops so that he can give the army little chocolate cakes made in his riding
128- CONS actively undermine viability of Crown corporations
129- Tories whitewash Couillard-Bernier security breach
130- CONS give retroactive promotion to Army Colonel responsible for Somalia disaster
131- Dean Del Maestro: Liar

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