[Freakinoldguy]

herbie herbie:

Iraqi MPs back call to expel US troops

As I mentioned in another thread, Iran has the opportunity to utterly humiliate Trump and get revenge without killing a single American. Let's see if they can do it.....

It sounds good but if they do that their gov't will be a vassal to Iran within a week and their country will sink into a religious civil war in two.

But the bigger question here is "why has Iran been allowed to flaunt UN sanctions, attack neutral flagged vessels in international waters and start a proxy war in Yemen" without some supposedly sane people in the west batting an eye and even going so far as to defend these aggressive actions?

[Thanos]

More like "why would anyone think that the Iranians wouldn't react badly when Trump fucked them over on the nuclear deal on behalf of his scumbag friends, Netanyahu and the Saudis?". And "why do the Americans keep thinking that everyone else in the world won't hit back when they get pushed around?".

[Freakinoldguy]

Thanos Thanos:

More like "why would anyone think that the Iranians wouldn't react badly when Trump fucked them over on the nuclear deal on behalf of his scumbag friends, Netanyahu and the Saudis?". And "why do the Americans keep thinking that everyone else in the world won't hit back when they get pushed around?".

Of course the Iranians are pissed at Trump's stopping their gravy train equivalent of the Clinton oil and money for no nukes deal with Kim Jung Il.

But, If allowing someone to build a nuclear weapon while giving them billions of dollars to aid in that quest is a deal then fuck em let them eat fish because it was never a deal it was a capitulation by the previous administration admitting that they didn't have the spine to stop Iran's political and military ambitions in the region.

So, the current American administration might have stopped the nuclear deal but they sure as hell didn't do it at the behest of the Saudi's and Netanyahu. They did it because the peace loving Iranians have been calling for the complete and utter destruction of the US's ally in the region since that sociopath the Ayatollah Khomeni and his followers took power in 1979 and by giving them the ability and money to carry out that threat would probably have meant the end of a sovereign nation.

But, as with every other appeaser policy the deal would never have lasted so, I'd be interested for someone to show me a case where appeasing aggressor nations has worked out for the better because the ones I remember haven't turned out all that well.

[Thanos]

Why stand with America's "allies" in the region given that the primary American best friend in Saudi Arabia has been entirely responsible for all the Sunni terrorism in the world for the last forty to fifty years, including the 3000 dead on Sept 11 2001? Why even use that word, "ally", anymore at all considering that no such thing exists at all in that entire region, except maybe for the Kurds that Trump deliberately sold out to the Turks and Assad?

I utterly detest Justin Trudeau for myriad reasons. That being said it will be his responsibility to keep us out of the upcoming mess altogether and if he doesn't he should be strung up from a lamp-post. Trump, the Saudis, and Israel want this war? Well, then they can supply all the bombs and bodies for it this time. Everyone else doesn't co-operate, period.

[N_Fiddledog]

Does Saudi connection to 9-11 excuse the Iranian connection to 9-11?

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An Iranian official recently admitted on state television that his government helped the majority Saudi terrorists on their way to commit the 9/11 terrorist attacks in 2001. This Iranian role in helping Sunni al-Qaeda commit the most heinous terrorist attack in US history was long-suspected by the American government but, until now, was never confirmed.

On Friday, Al Arabiya, a Saudi-owned pan-Arab news site based in Dubai, published an article covering an interview with Mohammad-Javad Larijani, the international affairs assistant in the Iranian judiciary. In the interview, broadcast via Iranian state TV on May 30, Larijani discussed the role his government played in the 9/11 attacks.

US investigators who compiled the 2004 9/11 Commission Report wrote their suspicions that the Iranian government knowingly facilitated the passage of al-Qaeda members who later carried out the terrorist attacks, allowing the would-be terrorists to conceal their origins to US immigration officials.

“We believe this topic requires further investigation by the US government,” the commission stated.

Their suspicions were confirmed two weeks ago when Larijani admitted that Iranian immigration officials had done precisely that.

https://www.breakingisraelnews.com/1092 ... n-to-9-11/

Don't like that source? How about ABC then:

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An Iranian official recently admitted on state television that his government helped the majority Saudi terrorists on their way to commit the 9/11 terrorist attacks in 2001. This Iranian role in helping Sunni al-Qaeda commit the most heinous terrorist attack in US history was long-suspected by the American government but, until now, was never confirmed.

On Friday, Al Arabiya, a Saudi-owned pan-Arab news site based in Dubai, published an article covering an interview with Mohammad-Javad Larijani, the international affairs assistant in the Iranian judiciary. In the interview, broadcast via Iranian state TV on May 30, Larijani discussed the role his government played in the 9/11 attacks.

US investigators who compiled the 2004 9/11 Commission Report wrote their suspicions that the Iranian government knowingly facilitated the passage of al-Qaeda members who later carried out the terrorist attacks, allowing the would-be terrorists to conceal their origins to US immigration officials.

“We believe this topic requires further investigation by the US government,” the commission stated.

Their suspicions were confirmed two weeks ago when Larijani admitted that Iranian immigration officials had done precisely that.

https://abcnews.go.com/International/ir ... d=54862664

[N_Fiddledog]

I Saw Qasem Soleimani’s Brand of Evil Firsthand — It’s Worse Than You Could Possibly Imagine

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According to an extended piece in The New Yorker back in 2013, Soleimani’s Quds Force was responsible for thousands of American casualties in Iraq (emphasis mine):

In 2004, the Quds Force began flooding Iraq with lethal roadside bombs that the Americans referred to as E.F.P.s, for “explosively formed projectiles.” The E.F.P.s, which fire a molten copper slug able to penetrate armor, began to wreak havoc on American troops, accounting for nearly twenty per cent of combat deaths. E.F.P.s could be made only by skilled technicians, and they were often triggered by sophisticated motion sensors. “There was zero question where they were coming from,” General Stanley McChrystal, who at the time was the head of the Joint Special Operations Command, told me. “We knew where all the factories were in Iran. The E.F.P.s killed hundreds of Americans.”

Suleimani’s campaign against the United States crossed the Sunni-Shiite divide, which he has always been willing to set aside for a larger purpose. Iraqi and Western officials told me that, early in the war, Suleimani encouraged the head of intelligence for the Assad regime to facilitate the movement of Sunni extremists through Syria to fight the Americans. In many cases, Al Qaeda was also allowed a degree of freedom in Iran as well. Crocker told me that in May, 2003, the Americans received intelligence that Al Qaeda fighters in Iran were preparing an attack on Western targets in Saudi Arabia. Crocker was alarmed. “They were there, under Iranian protection, planning operations,” he said. He flew to Geneva and passed a warning to the Iranians, but to no avail; militants bombed three residential compounds in Riyadh, killing thirty-five people, including nine Americans.

While it is perfectly understandable to be concerned about what happens next with Iran, it’s hard to look at it as anything but positive that Soleimani is no longer walking the face of this planet.

Soleimani’s Quds Force was a designated a terrorist organization by the United States and Canada, as he was in charge of committing acts of terror outside of Iran’s borders.

[N_Fiddledog]

British imam says Muslims should 'aspire to be like' Qassem Soleimani in tribute to 'martyred' general at London Islamic Centre

[Thanos]

You're just an active agent of the machine therefore anything and everything you say on these issues means nothing.

[Freakinoldguy]

Thanos Thanos:

Why stand with America's "allies" in the region given that the primary American best friend in Saudi Arabia has been entirely responsible for all the Sunni terrorism in the world for the last forty to fifty years, including the 3000 dead on Sept 11 2001? Why even use that word, "ally", anymore at all considering that no such thing exists at all in that entire region, except maybe for the Kurds that Trump deliberately sold out to the Turks and Assad?

I utterly detest Justin Trudeau for myriad reasons. That being said it will be his responsibility to keep us out of the upcoming mess altogether and if he doesn't he should be strung up from a lamp-post. Trump, the Saudis, and Israel want this war? Well, then they can supply all the bombs and bodies for it this time. Everyone else doesn't co-operate, period.

It likely won't go past sabre rattling and if it does it will be over before we can rent a Russian RoRo to send any of our troops over there anyway. So I wouldn't worry to much about getting involved. I'd be more concerned about pulling the ground troops we have there out and keeping our ships out of the Gulf because if there's any shooting that's where it'll start.

But if the truth be known, America has no actual friends in the region except Israel and all the UN and Palestinian propaganda can't change that fact. So, should the US be shedding blood for the Iraqi's or Saudi's? The answer is a resounding no. Neither one of them will ever truly back or even assist the US and a majority of their people have been brainwashed by their religious leaders to truly hate the Great Satan. So why bother?


Well......... by keeping a presence in the middle east Americans ensure that the threats to Israel don't become a fact. So there's that reason. Well that and the fact that their presence in various middle eastern countries ensures assholes like the Irvings and Canada's Liberals get their sweet carbon tax free crude oil while not having to use that evil "home grown" product.

[N_Fiddledog]

Thanos Thanos:

You're just an active agent of the machine therefore anything and everything you say on these issues means nothing.

To you...and all that does is give me the chuckles.

For anybody who's interested though, here's one to give to those looking to shut you up with insults, intimidation and appeals to feelings.

No, You Don’t Have to Join the Military if You Support the Airstrike that Killed Soleimani

[BeaverFever]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Trump doesn't have to start a war to win the next election. He just has to cross his fingers and hope one of those nutcases who are currently the favorites to win the Democratic leadership campaign actually does win.

As far as starting a war goes, I'll believe it when it see it. For now, we can expect a little tit for tat with the Iranians and their proxies. Tat is still where the power is though. America is tat.

Trump is the tit. He’s starting conflict with Iran in an election year to help get elected,just like he falsely accused Obama of doing.

[CharlesAnthony]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Don't like that source? How about ABC then:

How about you send your own sons to die in a foreign war? and read your bullshit propaganda newspapers to them.

[herbie]

"They're allowed to kill our people. They're allowed to torture and maim our people. They're allowed to use roadside bombs and blow up our people. And we're not allowed to touch their cultural sites? It doesn't work that way,'' Trump told reporters.

Aw gee, it's not fair they can't commit war crimes.

No end to the entitled ignorance of the President. Yet his rat defenders have made it clear they'll excuse him for absolutely anything.
You've been asked to leave. Don't let the door hit you in the ass.

[BartSimpson]

Joe Lieberman, the guy who was the Democrat VP pick in 2000, has come out in support of President Trump on killing the Iranian scumbag.

Simply put, he asks why the Democrats can't admit that everyone is safer with this mass murderer in the grave?

[Thanos]

Lieberman's also been a neo-con member of the Israel amen-chorus, as Pat Buchanan once accurately called those who put their loyalty to Israel far ahead of any concerns they have for the lives of American military personnel, for his entire life. He's just another puppet that shouldn't be listened to.

None of this is about anyone saying Soulemani was any sort of good guy. It's about Trump making things that much worse by doing the most reckless escalation imaginable.