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[andyt]

Public_Domain Public_Domain:

It's a decent article, but I don't like how it starts out shooting down all the "reasons" and then comes around to saying "it's because they hate our freedoms". Seemed like a cop out.

I thoroughly dislike that our only answers to this terrorism is stopping immigration from non-white countries and committing far more systematic acts of terrorism in retaliation.

Whatever the answer may be, a war on Islam is pointless unless we go full tilt and wage war on religion.

Strange, I thought the article ended on:

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Rage and condemnation don’t do the job, nor is it helpful to alienate the millions of Muslims who dislike what’s being done in the name of their religion. Many of them immediately condemned the attack on Charlie Hebdo, in tones of anguish particular to those whose deepest beliefs have been tainted. The answer always has to be careful, thoughtful, and tailored to particular circumstances. In France, it will need to include a renewed debate about how the republic can prevent more of its young Muslim citizens from giving up their minds to a murderous ideology—how more of them might come to consider Mustapha Ourrad, a Charlie Hebdo copy editor of Algerian descent who was among the victims, a hero. In other places, the responses have to be different, with higher levels of counter-violence.

Didn't read anything about stopping immigration. Didn't really read any concrete solutions at all, unfortunately, probably because there are none immediately obvious. Ultimately I think Western countries have to enlist their Muslim citizens to fight this scourge amongst them. Basically say to them if you want to live here you have to clearly choose sides, you have to choose being a good citizen above any loyalty you feel for your religion. If you can't, we invite you to go back home.

Heard a French immigrant to Canada talk about the situation. He said that France has completely failed to integrate their Muslims, created ghettos with high unemployment and lots of resentment. He contrasted that with what he sees in Canada. So maybe we could show the rest of the world how it's done.


As for limiting immigration, let's just limit it all together, from all countries. A side effect would be to greatly reduce problems of integration. And we should have a better test of how willing and ready the immigrants we do take are to integrate.

[BRAH]

The people have had enough of Radical Islam!

[BRAH]

Family Guy mocks Jesus all athe time, when was the last time Christians committed an act of Terroism because of it?

[Praxius]

stratos stratos:

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Which is 100% not what I was saying or leading to. I did not justify the actions of the gunmen. I did not justify, excuse or trivialize what they did and I sure as heck didn't say they had every right to shoot a bunch of people.

you say this now but wrote this

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And you provoke them anyways again and again, you have your own special role in creating the problem in the first place.

Thus Justifying their actions.

Actually no I didn't justify their actions. What I posted was stating that they played a role in creating a situation of reaction, just as me expressing myself here has created a situation of reaction with you replying.... Would you not agree?

When I say they provoked these clowns again and again, I did not say that they shouldn't express themselves nor did I even say they deserved to get shot and killed for what they did.

Leading from that, would you agree that these extremists are violent, close minded fools who use their screwed up interpretations to justify their violent actions in almost all cases?

Yes?

Then are you surprised at all that they eventually carried out their threats?

I'm not.... But that still doesn't mean I support what they did in any sense of the term. I'm a realist and in reality, I already knew what was going to happen.

That's all I said, that's all I meant, and I wasn't leading towards any other hidden meanings other than what I already stated.

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stratos wrote:
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I then explain that I hope these gunmen, Muslims or whoever they are, are found and get royally fk'd up over their actions.... At the very least, caught and Brough to justice

Please point out where you say this because now where can I find it in your previous post:


That's because it wasn't in my previous post, but part of my future-predictive post in which has yet to happen.

An utter and complete dodge considering your previously quoted statements.

It's not a complete dodge because

#1 - It should have been a given and
#2 - It was part of a post I started to try and cut through some predictive responses that were no doubt going to happen in order to explain those things right then and there rather than waiting for those responses to appear later on simply because I didn't say the above earlier.... and as I said at the start of that post, "I'll save you some time."

But clearly this only further confused some people in here and I still had to re-explain these thing once again, just as I am doing now.

Why do I have to re-explain these things?

Because some in here didn't bother to properly read what I posted from the start, took what I posted way out of context and took things to mean entirely different things from what I already stated to further confuse the situation. Those people decided to find 1-2 lines of what I said and completely ignored the following lines that already further explained what I was trying to say.

So here I am again, re-explaining it all yet again. If you can't figure it out by now, chances are you never will.

[Praxius]

stratos stratos:

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The thing is, I shouldn't have to state that. I would imagine the greater majority of people in here would share the same mentality and would have been a given.

Yet you claimed that you had already stated this. Then claimed that it was somehow a preview to what you were going to write. Now you are saying that you need not say it at all.

Could you make up your mind on what you are saying and when you are saying it please.

No, At the time I said I shouldn't have had to previously state this because it should have been a given, yet I posted it anyways (future-tense) and therefore, because I posted it (future-tense) I shouldn't have had to post it (past-tense)

[martin14]

Looks like they have arrested one of the shooters, 2 more police injured.

Should have just killed him.

[N_Fiddledog]

Isn't there a story that the guy who turned himself in might have an alibi? He might be innocent, or something?

I heard it on a blog so maybe not, but it's linked somewhere on this one.

http://badblue.bitnamiapp.com/trendr8.htm

[martin14]

Spoke too soon.


08.39 Latest on the second shooting this morning in a suburb of southwestern Paris from: Henry Samuel

Quote The police officer injured at Malakoff, southern Paris, is a woman. She is in a critical condition. The site has been cordoned off, with droves of police and emergency services.

However, authorities insist there is no proven link with the Charlie Hebdo killings.

According to iTele, two motorists were arguing after a collision, and when two police officers came over to help, one of the motorists opened fire. One suspect has been arrested, but the shooter has reportedly fled.

Why are they letting all these shooters escape ?


And Dog, the youngest one named yesterday did turn himself in, says he has an alibi.

[xerxes]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Isn't there a story that the guy who turned himself in might have an alibi? He might be innocent, or something?

I heard it on a blog so maybe not, but it's linked somewhere on this one.

http://badblue.bitnamiapp.com/trendr8.htm

The last I read about that is that his alibi is he was in school which is apparently being corroborated by his classmates, though I haven't read anything official about this. Only on blogs commenting on stuff seen on twitter so take that with as many grains of salt as you like.

[martin14]

martin14 martin14:

Quote The police officer injured at Malakoff, southern Paris, is a woman. She is in a critical condition. The site has been cordoned off, with droves of police and emergency services.

That policewoman is now dead.

[martin14]

12.35 The 12 people killed in the Charlie Hebdo terrorist attack are:

• Charb – (real name Stephane Charbonnier) 47, an artist and publisher of Charlie Hebdo

• Cabu – (real name Jean Cabut) 76, the lead cartoonist for Charlie Hebdo

• Georges Wolinski – 80, an artist who had been drawing cartoons since the 1960s

• Tignous – (real name Bernard Verlhac) 57, a member of Cartoonists for Peace

• Bernard Maris – (known as “Uncle Bernard”) 68, an economist and columnist for the magazine

• Honoré – (real name Philippe Honoré) 73, the artist who drew the last cartoon tweeted by the weekly publication

• Michel Renaud – a former journalist who was visiting the Charlie Hebdo offices

• Mustapha Ourrad – a copy-editor for Charlie Hebdo

• Elsa Cayat – a columnist and analyst for Charlie Hebdo

• Frederic Boisseau – a building maintenance worker

• Franck Brinsolaro – 49, a policeman appointed to head security for Charb

• Ahmed Merabet – 42, a police officer and member of the 11th arrondissement brigade

[Batsy2]

The two suspects are believed to have robbed a petrol station near a village in northern France. Britain has increased security along its southern border in ports and at Eurostar and has done the same at such places along France's northern coast.


Police sealed off the petrol station near Villers-Cotterets after the robbery




British MPs stand in Westminster Hall in the Palace of Westminster holding pens in solidarity with victims of the Charlie Hebdo attack. Britain has increased security along its southern border


People held up symbolic pencils during the public silence outside Notre Dame cathedral in Paris





The editor of Private Eye, the satirical magazine which is Britain's equivalent of Charlie Hebdo, has condemned the attack.

Ian Hislop, who is also a long time star of BBC comedy panel show Have I Got News For You, has said: 'Very little seems funny today'





http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/private-eyes-ian-hislop-responds-to-charlie-hebdo-attack-very-little-seems-funny-today-9963610.html

[DrCaleb]

BRAH BRAH:

Family Guy mocks Jesus all the time, when was the last time Christians committed an act of Terrorism because of it?

The difference being that the Bible has an Old Testament of how things used to be, and a New Testament of how things are now. Most scholars agree that the Bible is also written by different people at different times, and is self contradictory, but still holds great moral and spiritual significance for those who follow it.

The Koran is supposed to be the literal word of god himself, dictated to Mohammed who then dictated it from memory to his friend who could read and write.

The Bible is thus more open to interpretation. It isn't quite as specific about murdering infidels, killing people for apostasy, cutting off the hands of thieves etc. There is a lot of nasty stuff in there, no doubt, but the Koran contains actual commands, directly from the mouth of god, to do those things.

Jesus actually told his followers to 'suck it up and move on', where Mohammed said to kill them all and let God sort it out. Christians do terrorism, just look at the Northern Irish conflict, and some other nasty stuff in the South Pacific. But it goes against what Christ taught. Whereas this act in France is right out of the Koran.

[ShepherdsDog]

As I've said before , the world would be a better place if Christians were more like their founder and Muslims were less like theirs.