[DerbyX]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Yawn. You always seem to miss the point Derby. It's time to put you back on 'ignore'.

What point is that? Only people who support the CPC or despise the Libs are fair? You guys seem to attack anybody who has even a kind word to say about the Libs/NDP/Greens.

OH, and if you want to put me on ignore again thats too bad. Its fun debating with you and I don't mean most of the animosity you think I have.

Just be sure to mean it this time. You were the one who after putting me on ignore followed me around after every post telling people "how good it was to ignore me" then couldn't figure out why I didn't respond to your post when you took me off ignore or the 5 PMs you sent me trying to ask me why I was ignoring you.

If you can't accept that other people have opinions different from your own tehn so be it.

[uwish]

Derby you contradict yourself as much despite your efforts to find that in others. First not having a platform was bad, then just because the Liberals don't have one, wait, maybe that isn't bad. Then you have said even though we vote of a party the leader can cement the votes, then you claim Liberals will just vote Liberal no matter who is in power (maybe you can't admit that Iggy is not a great leader of the Liberal party??)...

I agree with EyeBrock ... ***Yawn***

At least I have heard many CPC supporters admit or call out the Tories on issues have you ever called out the Liberals? If you have, I sure can't recall it.

So who is truly the partisan hack then??

[DerbyX]

uwish uwish:

Derby you contradict yourself as much despite your efforts to find that in others. First not having a platform was bad, then just because the Liberals don't have one, wait, maybe that isn't bad. Then you have said even though we vote of a party the leader can cement the votes, then you claim Liberals will just vote Liberal no matter who is in power (maybe you can't admit that Iggy is not a great leader of the Liberal party??)...

I agree with EyeBrock ... ***Yawn***

At least I have heard many CPC supporters admit or call out the Tories on issues have you ever called out the Liberals? If you have, I sure can't recall it.

So who is truly the partisan hack then??

Is that all you got?

Lets see. First off, my point about the platform was valid considering the CPC had next to nothing. My point was that it was less of a hinderence then Lemmy believed.

Second, I said "considering con hacks think we all vote Lib regardless a leader won't make a difference" meaning that if we are the people they say we are then no harm will come from a leader like Rae.

Third, I've VERY OFTEN said my preferred leader was Dion. I've also in previous threads listed other like Ken Dryden who I felt deserved a bigger role.

Forth, and finally the thing you guys simply cannot understand is that I am able to list specific stances the Liberals have to specific issues and I agree with most of them. I have repeatedly called them out when their stances different from what I support AND I have actually written my MP to tell him which positions he must take in order to keep my support regardless of other factors.

All you cons ever do IF you complain about the CPC is qualify it with a hasty "but don't get me wrong the Liberals will be worse".

NONE of you have ever truly held your party responsible because that's a hard thing to do when you simply cast all the blame onto the Libs.

[uwish]

not sure you want to admit your preferred leader is Dion.

the rest..dodge...dodge..duck.

[DerbyX]

Addenum. A perfect example of this is the military. Sure lots of you guys have criticized specific moves (or lack thereof) Harper has made but this is only part of the story.

The criticism have gone from "those rotten military hating bastard Liberals" to "Harper sure made a mistake here." or "the government isn't doing right by the military".

A very telling difference. Any of the budget cutbacks or equipment purchase delays or just about anything deemed negative towards the CF was reacted to very differently depending on who was in charge.

In fact even when Harper announces things like mothballing the JSS purchase some people on here still managed to blame the Liberals for "allowing it to happen".

[DerbyX]

uwish uwish:

not sure you want to admit your preferred leader is Dion.

the rest..dodge...dodge..duck.

In others words you have been bested and cannot respond. Thanks for playing though.

[Mustang1]

hurley_108 hurley_108:

I was hoping Gerard Kennedy would win the convention that saw Dion become leader. He's still around, and he got to the second ballot, and two of the three guys ahead of him are either gone or will be gone in the event of another leadership race. I haven't heard of any baggage he might be carrying, but I have no doubt the Conservatives would come up with some muck to throw if Harper outlives Iggy...

I like Kennedy a lot. My only concern is that he's a left-leaning Liberal and in some quarters, that might cost some strategic votes.

He's got lots of time to build a reputation though.

[hurley_108]

Mustang1 Mustang1:

I like Kennedy a lot. My only concern is that he's a left-leaning Liberal and in some quarters, that might cost some strategic votes.

He's got lots of time to build a reputation though.

It's all speculation of course, but I think a lot of old Liberal voters have simply stayed home rather than moving to other parties. And a few that did move to other parties probably went to the NDP. A good leader might take back some of the former, and a progressive leader the latter.

Kennedy is one to keep an eye on.

[EyeBrock]

Mmmm, I don't know about Kennedy. Well I do know about him, he was a big boy in the Ont Lib party until he went Federal. I think he's a bit too left for me.

I'd really like to give the Libs a go as the Tories are just not doing it for me but they still remain more crap than the crappy Tories.

It's a shite time in Canadian politics. We need a charismatic leader that can motivate us all into getting back into politics. Somebody who breaks the mould and stops the BS.

This lot we have now are the definite 'D' listers. That includes Kennedy.

[Mustang1]

hurley_108 hurley_108:

Mustang1 Mustang1:

I like Kennedy a lot. My only concern is that he's a left-leaning Liberal and in some quarters, that might cost some strategic votes.

He's got lots of time to build a reputation though.

It's all speculation of course, but I think a lot of old Liberal voters have simply stayed home rather than moving to other parties. And a few that did move to other parties probably went to the NDP. A good leader might take back some of the former, and a progressive leader the latter.

Kennedy is one to keep an eye on.

You may be right - voter apathy, even in parties, is an issue and there's been numerous studies regarding voter behavior in ridings that historically lean a certain way. Maybe this is how some party faithful view the national election?

Kennedy needs some national seasoning - i just to watch him brow-beat the lightweight ideologues during the Harris years in Ontario and he always came across as insightful, erudite, well-prepared and charismatic (the later, a foreign concept in today's political landscape).

The best thing that happened to him (like King losing the 1930 election) was losing that leadership election.

[hurley_108]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Mmmm, I don't know about Kennedy. Well I do know about him, he was a big boy in the Ont Lib party until he went Federal. I think he's a bit too left for me.

I'd really like to give the Libs a go as the Tories are just not doing it for me but they still remain more crap than the crappy Tories.

It's a shite time in Canadian politics. We need a charismatic leader that can motivate us all into getting back into politics. Somebody who breaks the mould and stops the BS.

This lot we have now are the definite 'D' listers. That includes Kennedy.

Let me put it to you this way. Is there any Liberal MP right now who, at the helm of that party, could swing your vote Liberal? Even one?

Because I can say that there are two in the Conservative caucus that just might swing me there: Clement and Prentice. I think that either one of them could very well provide the kind of strong, rational leadership that none of the current leaders does.

[ASLplease]

DerbyX DerbyX:

uwish uwish:

not sure you want to admit your preferred leader is Dion.

the rest..dodge...dodge..duck.

In others words you have been bested and cannot respond. Thanks for playing though.

if there was a "pat yourself on the back " award, I'd definitely nominate you for it, Derb

[2Cdo]

DerbyX DerbyX:

uwish uwish:

not sure you want to admit your preferred leader is Dion.

the rest..dodge...dodge..duck.

In others words you have been bested and cannot respond. Thanks for playing though.

Derby's standard post when confronted with the truth about being a Liberal hack.

But I think this says it best,

$1:

I'll NEVER vote CPC or anything remotely conservative

But several conservative supporters have mentioned supporting the Liberal party previously, including myself. If you honestly think Dion would have been a good leader for Canada then you are beyond any further rational discussion.

[EyeBrock]

hurley_108 hurley_108:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Mmmm, I don't know about Kennedy. Well I do know about him, he was a big boy in the Ont Lib party until he went Federal. I think he's a bit too left for me.

I'd really like to give the Libs a go as the Tories are just not doing it for me but they still remain more crap than the crappy Tories.

It's a shite time in Canadian politics. We need a charismatic leader that can motivate us all into getting back into politics. Somebody who breaks the mould and stops the BS.

This lot we have now are the definite 'D' listers. That includes Kennedy.

Let me put it to you this way. Is there any Liberal MP right now who, at the helm of that party, could swing your vote Liberal? Even one?

Because I can say that there are two in the Conservative caucus that just might swing me there: Clement and Prentice. I think that either one of them could very well provide the kind of strong, rational leadership that none of the current leaders does.

I'm thinking hard here.

I quite like Keith Martin. He's been there, done that and isn't full of shit. He stands up for what he believes in and isn't like the rest of the sales guys in Ottawa.

That's about it. I scanned the Lib Party of Canada website and there is a lot of people there I have no time for.

I also looked at the CPC site and there are a few more I can handle.

The Libs still have a lot of very dodgy sales guys still on their benches. Denis Coderre, Joe Volpe, Maria Minna, Ruby Dhalla, Bob Rae.....etc etc.

[andyt]

Keith Martin - thumbs up. Seems to have some convictions tho, so no chance in hell of becoming leader.