[BartSimpson]

hurley_108 hurley_108:

And I'm waiting on how invoking Karla and McVeigh isn't an emotional argument.

Karla is an example of a prove mass murderer who is now walking free.

McVeigh is an example of someone who was put to death and with an overwhelming amount of physical evidence and a detailed confession to prove his crime.

I could add Ted Bundy, the mass murderer who admitted that if he wasn't put to death that he would absolutely try to kill again. He's been credited with killing one person per month between 1972 and 1978.

Of his own death penalty he said:

$1:

You are going to kill me, and that will protect society from me.

It's curious that no less than Ted Bundy would disagree with your point of view.

In any case, this is a person who was addicted to killing and whose existence, as liberal Democrat Florida Governor Lawton Chiles (and one-time death penalty opponent) said, "He's too dangerous to allow him to live."

We kill Al Qaeda members because of the threat they pose to innocent people and we kill murderers for the same reason.

[BartSimpson]

hurley_108 hurley_108:

But how how do you compare the inhumanity of solitary / supermax with the inhumanity of execution?

Easily. The executed killer is legally not allowed to suffer. Anymore execution is no more 'inhuman' than when a patient is anesthetized for surgery. The exception being in Utah where some inmates are allowed to request death by firing squad over death by lethal injection.

[hurley_108]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

hurley_108 hurley_108:

And I'm waiting on how invoking Karla and McVeigh isn't an emotional argument.

Karla is an example of a prove mass murderer who is now walking free.

McVeigh is an example of someone who was put to death and with an overwhelming amount of physical evidence and a detailed confession to prove his crime.

Uh huh. The fact that Karla was involved in the sex killings of young girls, one of whom was her own sister doesn't create any emotional component to that case. And even McVeigh said he might have changed targets had he known of the large amount of "collateral damage." No emotional attachment there either.

What about Bernardo, or have you forgotten about him?

[hurley_108]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

hurley_108 hurley_108:

But how how do you compare the inhumanity of solitary / supermax with the inhumanity of execution?

Easily. The executed killer is legally not allowed to suffer. Anymore execution is no more 'inhuman' than when a patient is anesthetized for surgery. The exception being in Utah where some inmates are allowed to request death by firing squad over death by lethal injection.

Oh, there's suffering in any kind of execution. What if you have to zap a person twice? What if you have to let a hanged man choke to death because his neck didn't snap? What if the anaesthetics don't take? There's no way to guarantee a pain-free death.

[Chumley]

andyt andyt:

Chumley Chumley:

A: Compile a list of people wrongly executed.
B: Compile of list of people murdered by people murdered by repeat offenders.

If A is larger than B then legal execution has killed more innocents and so is the greater evil.
If B is far greater than A then bring back capitol punishment.

You are one sick puppy if you're willing to make a calculation like that. But, in that case the death penalty would be abolished, since A is the much bigger list.

Sick? I thought is was a logical arguement.
Whichever results in less innocents dying is the logical choice I would think.
Whether A or B is the bigger list, I have no idea. Where would I find those stats?

[BigBri]

I think all the death penalty does is give the public a feeling of control.When a politician runs on such a 'law and order campaign' to a crime-weary populace who want to see results.Voting in a pro-death penalty candidate lets us know we still have control over our govt.With all this said all that really happens is someone's blood lust is satisfied and with the families of the victims of Bernardo,Olson,etc maybe a little blood lust is a good thing

[Freakinoldguy]

Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:

I was going to say that we should privatize the prisons as a joke,
but then I remembered things like this and it wasn't so funny any more...

I agree with Shep's suggestions.

No wonder you like that idea, it's the exact same model of how the Gulag's worked.

The death penalty would be more humane.

[PostFactum]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

andyt andyt:

In this test tube we have the US, in this one all the other western democracies without the death penalty.

Japan is considered a Western democracy and Japan has the death penalty.

Communistic China has a record for it, 5000 per year^)

[Bacardi4206]

sandorski sandorski:

It's Barbaric and we don't need it.

It is barbaric but as for not needed it, there are lots of criminals who more than deserve it. What happens when they do there time? Well they are discarded from life, they can't get a good job. Probally let alone any job. They cannot travel. Most likely will commit murder again or the most likely of cause, rot in jail for the rest of the lives where the tax payers have to feed them and pay for there stay. That's the alternative to in general, putting down a difected dog. Any person that in general can put down the life of another human being doesn't deserve the sympathy of having his own life being taken away in turn for doing so. Atleast in my opinion. Some situations differ.

As well, death penalty is more humane. Prison systems are whats barbaric. They did death penalties generally the same time they did prisons. They are both old methods. Except only one improved over the years. They made killing prisoners completely pain free and quick through the proper usage of drugs while prison systems remain the same place. Only that improved is the tech to lock away prisonerss. Don't get me wrong, I think prisons are needed. However, just saying that the death penalty is a far more humane solution than allowing them to rot in prison for the rest of there lives and to be a burden on the public.

[OldChum]

For all the one's who do not have the wish to get their hands dirty by executing these scum then lets put them in jail till they get their grade 12 which for most should take 20 yrs . At least they will have accomplished something while there .

Next time shot the garbage and get it over with.