[BigBri]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Dayseed said:

$1:

It’s not that they don’t like the job so they require a higher paycheque to motivate them to keep going, but how are you going to attract recruits, who have other options available to them in other fields of employment, when it’s a mandatory requirement they waive their constitutional rights in addition to their family’s, they can be suspended without pay at the drop of a hat by an unqualified board that is mandated to second-guess him and use speculation to replace his circumstances? This is all in addition to shift-work, getting shot at, high-stress et cetera?

Oh it sounds like so much fun! Where do I sign up?

did you catch my earlier post? Where I mention a teacher and a doctor being suspended without pay pending the outcome of a trial? What other jobs offer you full pay while suspended? And why can't they be restricted to desk duty or something?

[Dayseed]

BigBri BigBri:

did you catch my earlier post? Where I mention a teacher and a doctor being suspended without pay pending the outcome of a trial? What other jobs offer you full pay while suspended? And why can't they be restricted to desk duty or something?

You're not giving anybody enough to go on. Cops can be suspended without pay, but you're no longer looking so much at the profession, but rather the governing bodies. I'm not sure how Ontario specifically governs suspensions for cops, teachers OR doctors, but I doubt that the definition of "suspension" and its ramifications is a universal standard. If you were thinking that perhaps it came from the Labour Code, it doesn't.

[BigBri]

Dayseed Dayseed:

BigBri BigBri:

did you catch my earlier post? Where I mention a teacher and a doctor being suspended without pay pending the outcome of a trial? What other jobs offer you full pay while suspended? And why can't they be restricted to desk duty or something?

You're not giving anybody enough to go on. Cops can be suspended without pay, but you're no longer looking so much at the profession, but rather the governing bodies. I'm not sure how Ontario specifically governs suspensions for cops, teachers OR doctors, but I doubt that the definition of "suspension" and its ramifications is a universal standard. If you were thinking that perhaps it came from the Labour Code, it doesn't.

I guess what I really mean is take for example: A cop is caught on video-tape brutally assaulting a suspect or whatever crime it may be and the outcome would be pretty obvious once it does get to court then yes, a suspension without pay is appropriate.Anything less is a public relations disaster.

[EyeBrock]

BigBri BigBri:

Dayseed Dayseed:

BigBri BigBri:

did you catch my earlier post? Where I mention a teacher and a doctor being suspended without pay pending the outcome of a trial? What other jobs offer you full pay while suspended? And why can't they be restricted to desk duty or something?

You're not giving anybody enough to go on. Cops can be suspended without pay, but you're no longer looking so much at the profession, but rather the governing bodies. I'm not sure how Ontario specifically governs suspensions for cops, teachers OR doctors, but I doubt that the definition of "suspension" and its ramifications is a universal standard. If you were thinking that perhaps it came from the Labour Code, it doesn't.

I guess what I really mean is take for example: A cop is caught on video-tape brutally assaulting a suspect or whatever crime it may be and the outcome would be pretty obvious once it does get to court then yes, a suspension without pay is appropriate.Anything less is a public relations disaster.

So the cop has no right to a court date? Instead he/she is convicted by video?

Outcome pretty obvious? No need for courts then eh?

I'm sorry, are you rather young or something? Your logic lacks foundation in facts and reality.

[Dayseed]

BigBri BigBri:

I guess what I really mean is take for example: A cop is caught on video-tape brutally assaulting a suspect or whatever crime it may be and the outcome would be pretty obvious once it does get to court then yes, a suspension without pay is appropriate.Anything less is a public relations disaster.

I would say that if a brutal on-video assault has made its way to trial, you'll probably find that the cop has been suspended without pay. However, a complaint shouldn't trigger loss of wages, even though Hyperion would have it otherwise.

[Brenda]

Dayseed Dayseed:

However, a complaint shouldn't trigger loss of wages

In any profession, as far as I am concerned.

[DerbyX]

Dayseed Dayseed:

Well, the most fundamental law we have IS the constitution, but the police are now required NOT to follow it. You can’t suck and blow at the same time.

I beg to differ. The Toronto Maple Leafs. You actually can suck and blow at the same time.

[Dayseed]

DerbyX DerbyX:

Dayseed Dayseed:

Well, the most fundamental law we have IS the constitution, but the police are now required NOT to follow it. You can’t suck and blow at the same time.

I beg to differ. The Toronto Maple Leafs. You actually can suck and blow at the same time.

Hey, they signed Mueller this week. In addition to Armstrong and Versteeg, there may be hope of making the playoffs.

For the money Elliot Spitzer was paying, she had better have been able to suck and blow at the same time.

[BigBri]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

So the cop has no right to a court date? Instead he/she is convicted by video?

Outcome pretty obvious? No need for courts then eh?

I'm sorry, are you rather young or something? Your logic lacks foundation in facts and reality.

Okay Eyebrock hope this puts it in the right perspective: A cop getting suspended with pay for supposedly committing a crime is like a student getting expelled yet still receiving a passing grade.Hope that finally makes sense.

[Benn]

BigBri BigBri:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

So the cop has no right to a court date? Instead he/she is convicted by video?

Outcome pretty obvious? No need for courts then eh?

I'm sorry, are you rather young or something? Your logic lacks foundation in facts and reality.

Okay Eyebrock hope this puts it in the right perspective: A cop getting suspended with pay for supposedly committing a crime is like a student getting expelled yet still receiving a passing grade.Hope that finally makes sense.

Oh you had to toss a match back into this box of kindling didn't you!

BTW, not sure where you are but in some school boards (ie. River East in Winnipeg) students do get passed onto the next grade for not handing in assignments or passing tests or even showing up. Its called a no fail policy. Much like the no charge or firing policy you allude to. As far as cheating well a no fail policy eliminates the need to cheat.

But in principle I agree. Police should face the same criminal charges anyone else would.

[digerdick]

Police should face the same criminal charges anyone else would..............LOL...........That is so funny to read.DONT say that to loud when you are having a beer at the HEROs club

[Brenda]

Benn Benn:

BTW, not sure where you are but in some school boards (ie. River East in Winnipeg) students do get passed onto the next grade for not handing in assignments or passing tests or even showing up. Its called a no fail policy. Much like the no charge or firing policy you allude to. As far as cheating well a no fail policy eliminates the need to cheat.

To add to that, it goes the other way around too. Kids get placed with kids of the same age, not of the same intelligence.
I happen to have a pretty smart kid, who is bored to death in school because everything she learns, she already knows.
VERY frustrating, and nothing "they" can do about it. Luckily, last year, she had a fantastic teacher who gave her different work, but not every teacher does that, or even sees the problem...

[andyt]

Brenda Brenda:

Benn Benn:

BTW, not sure where you are but in some school boards (ie. River East in Winnipeg) students do get passed onto the next grade for not handing in assignments or passing tests or even showing up. Its called a no fail policy. Much like the no charge or firing policy you allude to. As far as cheating well a no fail policy eliminates the need to cheat.

To add to that, it goes the other way around too. Kids get placed with kids of the same age, not of the same intelligence.
I happen to have a pretty smart kid, who is bored to death in school because everything she learns, she already knows.
VERY frustrating, and nothing "they" can do about it. Luckily, last year, she had a fantastic teacher who gave her different work, but not every teacher does that, or even sees the problem...

Don't they skip grades anymore? I did many years ago.

[Chumley]

BigBri BigBri:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

So the cop has no right to a court date? Instead he/she is convicted by video?

Outcome pretty obvious? No need for courts then eh?

I'm sorry, are you rather young or something? Your logic lacks foundation in facts and reality.

Okay Eyebrock hope this puts it in the right perspective: A cop getting suspended with pay for supposedly committing a crime is like a student getting expelled yet still receiving a passing grade.Hope that finally makes sense.

Expelled would be equivalent to fired, not suspended.

[Brenda]

andyt andyt:

Brenda Brenda:

Benn Benn:

BTW, not sure where you are but in some school boards (ie. River East in Winnipeg) students do get passed onto the next grade for not handing in assignments or passing tests or even showing up. Its called a no fail policy. Much like the no charge or firing policy you allude to. As far as cheating well a no fail policy eliminates the need to cheat.

To add to that, it goes the other way around too. Kids get placed with kids of the same age, not of the same intelligence.
I happen to have a pretty smart kid, who is bored to death in school because everything she learns, she already knows.
VERY frustrating, and nothing "they" can do about it. Luckily, last year, she had a fantastic teacher who gave her different work, but not every teacher does that, or even sees the problem...

Don't they skip grades anymore? I did many years ago.

No. Nor do they fail grades... Apparently...
They (the slower ones) just get a tutor or something, but apparently, staying with kids the same age is more important than with kids of the same level of intelligence...