[EyeBrock]

SprCForr SprCForr:

Do yourself a favour and don't ever tell a Guardsmen that they're just for "show".

Their ceremonial duties do not lessen their abilities as soldiers one bit.

/Unless it's looking after Carl Gustav.

Sapper, these cultural niceties are wasted on the most civvy, most anti-military guy on cka. He doesn't care about the history and those who have gone before us.

I should be careful…..I might get to 60% for that to a mod!

[SprCForr]

I figure it was a "More You Know" thing. Lot's of people don't look past the scarlet "nutcracker" surface and realize it's a trained soldier.

[EyeBrock]

SprCForr SprCForr:

I figure it was a "More You Know" thing. Lot's of people don't look past the scarlet "nutcracker" surface and realize it's a trained soldier.

Some people can't get past their distaste for the Forces.
It doesn't matter what we say or do they still won't like us or respect what we do and have done.

It's their problem.

[raydan]

My father was in the navy and stationned in Halifax.

Quite a few times, I went with him to the Citadel to see the changing of the garde and the firing of the cannons.

Later in my life, I went to Kingston-Ontario Citadel a few times. My friend was often one of the gate guards there.

Good memories.

[ShepherdsDog]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

SprCForr SprCForr:

I figure it was a "More You Know" thing. Lot's of people don't look past the scarlet "nutcracker" surface and realize it's a trained soldier.

Some people can't get past their distaste for the Forces.
It doesn't matter what we say or do they still won't like us or respect what we do and have done.

It's their problem.

It's more of a fear based on their inability to understand such concepts like teamwork and self sacrifice. In all honesty, can you see Roman understanding either of these, based on what he's written of himself?

[EyeBrock]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

SprCForr SprCForr:

I figure it was a "More You Know" thing. Lot's of people don't look past the scarlet "nutcracker" surface and realize it's a trained soldier.

Some people can't get past their distaste for the Forces.
It doesn't matter what we say or do they still won't like us or respect what we do and have done.

It's their problem.

It's more of a fear based on their inability to understand such concepts like teamwork and self sacrifice. In all honesty, can you see Roman understanding either of these, based on what he's written of himself?

Good point Shep.

[Guy_Fawkes]

Wow, Im going to need a shower after wading through 5 pages of crap, back to the topic on hand, the American military is doing a fine enough job of weeding people out who dont want to be there. I am on a US military course, and before each test they ask:
"Do you have an understanding of the voluntary release program? In which at any point you can remove yourself from training for whatever reason."

It's also going to be hard to keep recruits in the airforce since they are not allowed to have tobacco products while in training. I have also been told the Marines, Army and Navy are all adopting the same thing.

[romanP]

Gunnair Gunnair:

Figures.

Look at that, another sarcastic quip. Not one fact to rebut a single thing I've said. Well, I'm done here. You lose. Game over.

[romanP]

SprCForr SprCForr:

Do yourself a favour and don't ever tell a Guardsmen that they're just for "show".

I don't think I said that they were. I think I said that people might perceive that they were just for show. I know that their guns are loaded and that, in the highly unlikely chance that Parliament Hill were invaded or the War Memorial attacked with guns, they would definitely shoot back.

[Gunnair]

romanP romanP:

Gunnair Gunnair:

Figures.

Look at that, another sarcastic quip. Not one fact to rebut a single thing I've said. Well, I'm done here. You lose. Game over.

You've offered nothing but assertions based on a movie clip.

That deserves nothing less that sarcastic quips.

[romanP]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

SprCForr SprCForr:

Do yourself a favour and don't ever tell a Guardsmen that they're just for "show".

Their ceremonial duties do not lessen their abilities as soldiers one bit.

/Unless it's looking after Carl Gustav.

Sapper, these cultural niceties are wasted on the most civvy, most anti-military guy on cka. He doesn't care about the history and those who have gone before us.

You don't know what I care about. I am not anti-military at all. I'm anti-invading-other-people's-countries-for-loot, and anti-blowing-up-lots-of-civilians-when-the-people-who-need-to-die-are-hiding-somewhere-else, but certainly not anti-military.

My grandfather served in the second world war, he drove supply trucks through Italy, Africa, Denmark and Holland. He watched a lot of people die in their sleep because they slept under their trucks, which got shelled. Frankly, I think I'm lucky to have had him around for 25 years.

So don't you go telling me that I don't care about history or anyone that fought in a war. You don't know what I know, and you don't have the first clue about what I care about. All you care about is a stupid fucking alias on the internet.

[romanP]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

It's more of a fear based on their inability to understand such concepts like teamwork and self sacrifice. In all honesty, can you see Roman understanding either of these, based on what he's written of himself?

What I've written about myself is pretty miniscule fraction of who I am. You don't know me at all, and you'll never have the chance.

[romanP]

Gunnair Gunnair:

romanP romanP:

Gunnair Gunnair:

Figures.

Look at that, another sarcastic quip. Not one fact to rebut a single thing I've said. Well, I'm done here. You lose. Game over.

You've offered nothing but assertions based on a movie clip.

I haven't asserted aything based on a movie clip. I don't think you even know what an assertion is.

$1:

That deserves nothing less that sarcastic quips.

I could say anything and you'd give me some jackass comment, just because you're a troll and that's what trolls do.

[Guy_Fawkes]

As I see it, they are told what they are getting into before they join and are given ample opportunity to leave during the many many months they are in training. There really is no reason to abandon your contract with the military, the only ones who do are cowards who thought they could scam a 'some what' easy job state side for a few years and have some bling on their resume, it is just that simple.

[Smacle]

Praxius Praxius:

How many have deserted the US forces and how many of them tried to hide here in Canada?

Many have no choice and in fact many of them are forced to go back and do multiple tours beyond what they originally agreed to.

I believe the American deserters you are speaking of are those who have been caught in "stop loss." They finish their contract and feel no more obligation to their country which is demanding another tour. They do get forced into more than they bargained for, a back door draft you could say, but as far as going to war in the first place? You can't claim ignorance, atleast, I wouldn't believe it.

Praxius Praxius:

Many joined up to serve because they believed what they were told, they thought they were doing the right thing. Then after a tour or two and being forced to do more, many seen the truth, seen past the lies, seen how the people don't even want them there.... they see the atrocities commited and any and all justification of the war is lost.

That's a narrow point of view but I can see how someone who is deployed in the most insurgent friendly parts of Iraq could come to that conclusion. While I don't have any first hand experience with Iraq, I have also heard the opposite; That people do want the Americans there. It's hard to get a measure of the majoritys stance but it is not safe to claim either statement. Some people want the Americans in Iraq and some don't. Afghanistan is a whole different matter. The Iraq war is a large grey zone as far as ethics are concerned but I would call anybody who doesn't believe in the mission in Afghanistan a fool. There are only a hand full of areas in Afghanistan that are not ISAF friendly and that is mostly because of insurgent intimidation due to lack of ISAF presence. This will soon be solved thanks to the "deception" tactics of the US armed forces who, out of desperation, take young men who volunteered to serve their country and force them to serve it again. The only reason they are desperate in the first place is because there are too many civilians who are deceived into believing that the military wants to kill innocent people and influence politics.

Even if 911 was staged by the US government so that we can spread capitolism to the most desolate corners of the earth so that they can be exploited for profits, Afghanistan and its inhabitants are in a much better situation now than 10 years ago thanks the the efforts and sacrifices made by ISAF personel. The accomplishments and goals set forth by the armed forces of Canada, America, and the rest of ISAF are noble even if the politicians and corporate heads have a different agenda.

In my opinion, your focus should be more on why the people of North America and the "west" in general still choose to support companys that exploit the desperately poor to deliver cheaper goods and services instead of paying the extra few cents by buying from local honest companys and why they have let their ignorance reach epidemic purpotions as to actually allow corporations to have an influence on where the armed forces of the USA is deployed. Also, you should be worried about how so many big business owners have accuired powerful positions in government in the first place; conflict of interest?