[stemmer]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

Buy Toyota. There's more chance that all the parts are North American made...which is why Toyota has more right to be in NASCAR than some of the other 'North American' makes.

OK punk, I'll bit...What NA marques are not allowed to race in NASCAR....???? Please name them OR is this more mending the truth to fill your childish beliefs and liberal agendas...????

[Choban]

stemmer stemmer:

Choban Choban:

Your right of course, I'm just ashamed to admit what all of us are thinking, Why should Canadian $$$ go to bailout America companies. I know the employ Canadians in Ontario.

Typical liberal anti-American BS...BUT it's OK for Canadians to give money to any multi-national corporation that is not American (Sony, BMW, Mercedes, Toyota, etc)...

So what you are telling me is IF your brother ran a bakery in your community rather then support his business you would drive 60 miles to the nearest town to purchase your bread...

Family, relatives, friends, community, province, nation, allies to my nation is my order of allegiance... IF Canada was down on it's knees do you really believe China, India, Brazil, Japan, etc would be running to assist us...? Our only true allies in this world are the USA, UK, Australia, New Zealand and a few other ex Commonwealth nations...

I have very little time or patience for the feeble minded, anti-American bigotry of these "liberal intellectuals"...

In the 1930's & 40's people in baseball believed negroes could not play major league ball, women could not compete with men in the workplace, Jews were evil and could not be trusted... Now a new liberal Canadian myth has arisen, "To be a loyal Canadian you must be anti-American" or the liberal consumer myth "North Americans are inferior and can not manufacture cars"...

I'm disgusted by this mindset... We are engaged in a new war front, a war of economies and you abandon our nation and it's allies when they could use you the most... Shame on you, the good Canadians who died alongside our Allies in Normandy must be really ashamed for giving up their lives for those who are so uncaring about Canada & it's allies....

So continue to place consumer greed before nation need and we will not have a sovereign nation left... I hope the souls of those WWI & WWII vets haunt you for the rest of your lives as you gleefully fork over hard earned Canadian cash to countries who could not care less about Canada, USA, UK, etc...

Well Stemmer, you took 1 part of my post without relation to anything I said prior as far as using bailout $ to create a Canadian company.
Not sure what to make of the whole bakery rant, If my brother owned a bakery in my town I would buy bread from him of course, If an American had a bakery next door and was cheaper I would buy there
As far as liberal anti-amreicanism, well I watch hollywood movies, listen to american music, buy clothes from american stores. I'm not Anit American, I was stating that for the good or OUR economy, bailout money should stay in Canada.
Don't take part of a post and use it out of context, I'm well aware of the benifits Canadian's get from having the US as a major trading partner.

[MacDonaill]

stemmer stemmer:

Don't laugh the Amero is coming and it is Council on Foreign Relations bending to the will of consumer greed that is making it happen...

We would be crazy to give up our monetary sovereignty.

[mtbr]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

Buy Toyota. There's more chance that all the parts are North American made...which is why Toyota has more right to be in NASCAR than some of the other 'North American' makes.

Camry ..more American than a Ford Fusion...beats it every race as well

[mtbr]

stemmer stemmer:

mtbr mtbr:

not true , but I'll never buy anything that says GM on it since its probably made in China.

Your one IDIOT... Please saunter over to the Corvette Forum and post nonsense like that...

BUT what is true is the fact Toyota is being investigated for human trafficking slave labour from China...

when everybody in NA can afford to have a Corvette in their driveway GM will have it made

never happen see ya GM

[poquas]

Tell me Stemmer. I have a friend who owns a third generation Chinese restaurant who is seriously considering closing it due to diminishing returns. Her family has employed hundreds of local people over the years they’ve been operating and still has 6 people full time on the books.

They’ve never served a dish that killed anyone. They’ve never been sued for “defective” food. Hell, one of them even drives a Buick!

Aren’t they more deserving of government handouts than the crooks in Detroit?

[poquas]

mtbr mtbr:

when everybody in NA can afford to have a Corvette in their driveway GM will have it made

I really have to ask. Why would everybody want a Corvette. Not a great car. Never has been. I agree it's "pretty", but most people that own one are compensating for other "shortcomings". Besides, if you don’t have a lot of money and want a huge power to weight ratio, buy a “high end” Mustang. Goes like stink, but I wouldn’t own one of those either. It just another big engine with a flimsy wrapper.

[ShepherdsDog]

Fuck the corporate welfare bums!! That money needs to be invested into the true engine of our economy, small and medium businesses. Unlike the cnuts who drove their corporations into the ground and were given obscene amounts of money for doing so, those who run these small companies and businesses bust their asses to remain profitable.

[bootlegga]

stemmer stemmer:

And exactly where did I say Toyota should not be asking the Japanese government for money? I've never posted anything to that effect...

I was merely pointing out that IF other nations are going to assist their manufacturer's we must also do so to be competitive on the global stage... The very global stage all of these liberal trade policies have placed our manufacturers...

Ummm, here in this thread you bitched about Nissan...

stemmer stemmer:

Nissan Motor Co. has said that it is considering various types of government aid, but it declined to say Tuesday whether it was requesting for Japan Bank for International Cooperation loans. Nissan has forecast a 265 billion yen net loss for the fiscal year through March.

http://www.thestar.com/Business/article/595628

And in another thread (started by you), you were critical of Toyota getting loans from the Japanese government.

current-events-f59/toyota-facing-first-loss-in-59-years-seeks-loans-from-japa-t72942.html

As for your BS that you are pointing out blah blah...GM and Chrylser already have received loans, while the Japanese carmakers are still hoping for loans. Big difference...see Toyota wants a loan, and GM has already pissed theirs away and is back looking for seconds like Oliver Twist..."please sir, can I have some more?"

No, the carmakers that need loans "to be competitive on the global stage" as you put it, are German and Japanese ones who have not received anything yet. That would level the playing field so to speak.

[Proculation]

* Proculation moose-attacks bootlegga !!!!

[herbie]

Proculation Proculation:

Seize the plants ? We live in Canada, not in Cuba or Venezuela.

And you've no idea of either tax nor bankruptcy law. WTF do you think happens when you default?

Keep sucking up to your all-glorious corporate masters and you may get to find out. Your car so you can't go to work. Your bank account so you can't pay your bills. Your house. Your tools so you can't work if there was work.
Then they send little notices that regardless of the income tax you filed they simply 'decided' you made $139,000 and owe them the rebates plus penalties they 'accidentally' sent you, with compound interest.
And they'l never legally charge you with evading or avoiding, just threaten to, as there's no way they want thus kind of shit to be exposed in open court.
Cuba or Venezeula would just take everything you had and then be done with you.

Or does your philosophy entail that only citizens should be treated that way, Chrysler or Exxon and corporations should be able to just walk away?

[Proculation]

Maybe I misunderstood what you said. I thought you said that if they threatens Canada, we should seize the plant. Or something like that. If they owe Canada some money, sure. The government is always the first to get the money owed.

[2Cdo]

stemmer stemmer:

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

Buy Toyota. There's more chance that all the parts are North American made...which is why Toyota has more right to be in NASCAR than some of the other 'North American' makes.

OK punk, I'll bit...What NA marques are not allowed to race in NASCAR....???? Please name them OR is this more mending the truth to fill your childish beliefs and liberal agendas...????

Stemmer can you read? Where, in Sheps post, does he state that North American made cars are not allowed to race in NASCAR?

He alluded to Toyota having more North American parts in them than some North American brand.

As for your last little tirade about "mending the truth to fill your childish beliefs and liberal agendas". Get off the crack man, it's killing the last couple of brain cells bouncing around in that pumpkin you call a head!

BTW Chevy hasn't made a decent product in years.

[stemmer]

You haven't seen the new ZR1 have you? or the Impala SS, retro Camaro?
The fact you are biased and bigoted I can excuse. But there is no excuse for ignorance...

[mtbr]

stemmer stemmer:

You haven't seen the new ZR1 have you? or the Impala SS, retro Camaro?
The fact you are biased and bigoted I can excuse. But there is no excuse for ignorance...

OoPS
GM Recalls 276,000 2009 Chevrolets, GMCs, Saturns, Buicks and Pontiacs

http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2009 ... 53255.html.

THE DRIVER MAY NOT BE ABLE TO RESTART THE VEHICLE AND THE VEHICLE COULD ROLL AWAY AFTER THE DRIVER HAS EXITED THE VEHICLE, RESULTING IN A POSSIBLE CRASH WITHOUT PRIOR WARNING.

http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2009 ... 53256.html

GM Recalls 2009 Hummer H3T.

a Hummer now there's another quality useless product made by GM