[hwacker]

lily lily:

You do know she's 11, right?

Don't care, it's her f'n parents that are continuing the stupid circle of fake islamic rules.

[TattoodGirl]

RUEZ RUEZ:

TattoodGirl TattoodGirl:

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lily lily:

TattoodGirl TattoodGirl:

Lets spin this in another way: Christian participants remove there crosses, Native participants remove medicine bags. First, it is not part of uniform. Second, it is commonsense that it is a choking hazard.

All in all, her club and master should have explained this to her parents, to her, before taking their money. It is a disciplined art, if you want to train you have to conform to the uniform, as well as many others factors. This should have been researched by her parents.

I don't think cross necklaces and medicine pouches have the same meaning as the hajib, although I could be wrong. To my knowledge, there's no requirement saying either must be worn.

Then if she is bound by a rule to keep it on, she should not be participating in an event where there is strict uniform. As far as I am concerned you are free to wear a hajib, burka, whatever you want, wherever you want, but if you want to participate in certain things there are codes to abide by. Martial Arts is more than a sport it is a discipline, each and every participant must display that respect. For some it is a cross over to their beliefs. There is a philosophy with Martial Arts, which is obvious some dismiss. Her Judo Dojo should have explained this, plain and simple, but they probably just wanted the cash.

That's all well and good but when I took Karate as a young boy I was never required to wear a uniform. We were offered the opportunity to buy one if we wanted but it wasn't mandatory for training. I'm sure it would be for any type of sanctioned competition though.

It is sanctioned comps that im talking about and Dojo's/Dojang's know the rules of competition.

I'm just saying it's not as disciplined as you might think. It's definately open to accomadating people. Certainly if it's for her safety it should be removed though.

Many clubs arent disciplined and it shows in competition...usually those are the clubs that just take the money and dont teach the true forms. It is a shame. But I would say it is a safety issue, I personally wouldnt want to go into a match with someone with a hajib in fear of hurting them.

[Zipperfish]

lily lily:

TattoodGirl TattoodGirl:

Lets spin this in another way: Christian participants remove there crosses, Native participants remove medicine bags. First, it is not part of uniform. Second, it is commonsense that it is a choking hazard.

All in all, her club and master should have explained this to her parents, to her, before taking their money. It is a disciplined art, if you want to train you have to conform to the uniform, as well as many others factors. This should have been researched by her parents.

I don't think cross necklaces and medicine pouches have the same meaning as the hajib, although I could be wrong. To my knowledge, there's no requirement saying either must be worn.

Probably turbans, beards, kirpans and other religious adornments worn by Sikhs would be a better comparison.

[TattoodGirl]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

lily lily:

TattoodGirl TattoodGirl:

Lets spin this in another way: Christian participants remove there crosses, Native participants remove medicine bags. First, it is not part of uniform. Second, it is commonsense that it is a choking hazard.

All in all, her club and master should have explained this to her parents, to her, before taking their money. It is a disciplined art, if you want to train you have to conform to the uniform, as well as many others factors. This should have been researched by her parents.

I don't think cross necklaces and medicine pouches have the same meaning as the hajib, although I could be wrong. To my knowledge, there's no requirement saying either must be worn.

Probably turbans, beards, kirpans and other religious adornments worn by Sikhs would be a better comparison.

Turbans would come off in competition, they are also not wrapped around the neck. Beards would be the same as long hair...hurt like hell. Kirpans can also be removed...no way should a knife be allowed in a competition.

Sorry I relate to medicine bag...we all compete in my family and we remove it.

[TattoodGirl]

The hajib can be removed...It seems to me, IMO, that a personal agenda is being pushed by her parents at the sake of their child.

[Tricks]

lily lily:

Let's recap Tricks' contributions to this topic, shall we?

On page 1, he responded to one of my posts with a and now here on page 6 he adds:

Tricks Tricks:

Now we await Lily's dodging.

Do you have anything of value to add, Tricks or are you just out for a troll?

You're on to talk of trolling.

[Zipperfish]

TattoodGirl TattoodGirl:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

lily lily:

TattoodGirl TattoodGirl:

Lets spin this in another way: Christian participants remove there crosses, Native participants remove medicine bags. First, it is not part of uniform. Second, it is commonsense that it is a choking hazard.

All in all, her club and master should have explained this to her parents, to her, before taking their money. It is a disciplined art, if you want to train you have to conform to the uniform, as well as many others factors. This should have been researched by her parents.

I don't think cross necklaces and medicine pouches have the same meaning as the hajib, although I could be wrong. To my knowledge, there's no requirement saying either must be worn.

Probably turbans, beards, kirpans and other religious adornments worn by Sikhs would be a better comparison.

Turbans would come off in competition, they are also not wrapped around the neck. Beards would be the same as long hair...hurt like hell. Kirpans can also be removed...no way should a knife be allowed in a competition.

Sorry I relate to medicine bag...we all compete in my family and we remove it.

So turbans, long hair and beards aren't allowed in judo?

[Brenda]

Turbans are not (not part of the uniform), long hair only tied together and beards... I guess they are

[TattoodGirl]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

TattoodGirl TattoodGirl:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

lily lily:

TattoodGirl TattoodGirl:

Lets spin this in another way: Christian participants remove there crosses, Native participants remove medicine bags. First, it is not part of uniform. Second, it is commonsense that it is a choking hazard.

All in all, her club and master should have explained this to her parents, to her, before taking their money. It is a disciplined art, if you want to train you have to conform to the uniform, as well as many others factors. This should have been researched by her parents.

I don't think cross necklaces and medicine pouches have the same meaning as the hajib, although I could be wrong. To my knowledge, there's no requirement saying either must be worn.

Probably turbans, beards, kirpans and other religious adornments worn by Sikhs would be a better comparison.

Turbans would come off in competition, they are also not wrapped around the neck. Beards would be the same as long hair...hurt like hell. Kirpans can also be removed...no way should a knife be allowed in a competition.

Sorry I relate to medicine bag...we all compete in my family and we remove it.

So turbans, long hair and beards aren't allowed in judo?

Did I say that? No...I have long hair...read the whole thread...I pointed that out earlier. By Turbans coming off, I mean they would fly off in a flip...beards would be the same as long hair...as I stated earlier, if pulled it would hurt like hell...people compete with long hair and beards. It is not a uniform it is part of the body, but it has to be maintained. Hajibs are around the neck, turbans are not, btw.

[Zipperfish]

TattoodGirl TattoodGirl:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

TattoodGirl TattoodGirl:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

lily lily:

TattoodGirl TattoodGirl:

Lets spin this in another way: Christian participants remove there crosses, Native participants remove medicine bags. First, it is not part of uniform. Second, it is commonsense that it is a choking hazard.

All in all, her club and master should have explained this to her parents, to her, before taking their money. It is a disciplined art, if you want to train you have to conform to the uniform, as well as many others factors. This should have been researched by her parents.

I don't think cross necklaces and medicine pouches have the same meaning as the hajib, although I could be wrong. To my knowledge, there's no requirement saying either must be worn.

Probably turbans, beards, kirpans and other religious adornments worn by Sikhs would be a better comparison.

Turbans would come off in competition, they are also not wrapped around the neck. Beards would be the same as long hair...hurt like hell. Kirpans can also be removed...no way should a knife be allowed in a competition.

Sorry I relate to medicine bag...we all compete in my family and we remove it.

So turbans, long hair and beards aren't allowed in judo?

Did I say that? No...I have long hair...read the whole thread...I pointed that out earlier. By Turbans coming off, I mean they would fly off in a flip...beards would be the same as long hair...as I stated earlier, if pulled it would hurt like hell...people compete with long hair and beards. It is not a uniform it is part of the body, but it has to be maintained. Hajibs are around the neck, turbans are not, btw.

It's still not cler to me if turbans are allowed or not, sorry. Just interested

[TattoodGirl]

The officials were concerned about safety. Judo is very physical, more grappling then anything. A hajib is around the neck...that is why I likened it to a necklace or other article that can be used to get wrapped around the throat.
My worry is that they will allow it and then something horrible happens. Believe me that in the height of competition, you could not distinguish between that and a collar. The last thing I would want to see is some kid seriously injured because her parents wanted to push their own agenda.

[PJB]

It's time for the rest of us to stand up to these people who are always throwing their culture and religion into the fray. These folks don't like rules that adversely affect them. I say tough! A full Judo uniform must be worn and a headscarf is not part of the uniform.