[fifeboy]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Robair Robair:

Holy fuck.

It's a private clinic/hospital/business operating in a country with single payer.

No. It's a private, for-profit business serving single payer customers. Shouldice also serves private insurance and cash customers. The come because Shouldice offers a superior, private service.

You seem to be having problems grasping the obvious.

I go to a private, for profit clinic. It's private because the the doctors who run it own it. Except for a few, I think ALL medical clinics in Saskatchewan are run this way. If someone from Ireland gets sick here they are free to go see a doctor and pay for the privilege. They are for profit because the people who work there are doing it for pay. Doctors, secretaries, cleaning staff, nurses all take a pay cheque home.
What it doesn't have is ownership by some huge company that controls the majority of clinics in the province.
I can go there and ask for a non covered procedure like having a medical exam for my commercial vehicle licence for SGI. They do it and I pay them.

[fifeboy]

bootlegga bootlegga:

Premium service in Canada is going to an MRI clinic to get it done this week instead of waiting three months for it.

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It should be noted that for things like MRI and Catscans: if you need it now, you get it now. I went into hospital for pain in my side (emerge) and after admitting (about 2 to 3 hours) and questioning me for 15 minutes I was in the MRI lab. Surgery the next morning. Wait times are mostly for elective stuff.

[N_Fiddledog]

fifeboy fifeboy:

What it doesn't have is ownership by some huge company

Shouldice is owned by a large company. It offers a highly reputed, specialized service that private customers do seek out from outside the province and even outside the country.It's not that it's available to them. It's that they do use it.

Shouldice operates as a private company. It's been around for over 65 years. It was not reliant on socialized medicine before Ontario went that route. If Ontario left socialized medicine tomorrow Shouldice would not notice. They're private in the sense that Ontario just becomes another customer with a different kind of insurance plan.

[Robair]

And?

[N_Fiddledog]

And Rand Paul is a customer dealing with a private company.

No hypocrisy there at all. Other than the kind invented in the "Progressive" imagination, of course.

[bootlegga]

fifeboy fifeboy:

bootlegga bootlegga:

Premium service in Canada is going to an MRI clinic to get it done this week instead of waiting three months for it.

It should be noted that for things like MRI and Catscans: if you need it now, you get it now. I went into hospital for pain in my side (emerge) and after admitting (about 2 to 3 hours) and questioning me for 15 minutes I was in the MRI lab. Surgery the next morning. Wait times are mostly for elective stuff.

Agreed that it's based on medical need, so there can be wait times if it's not tied to treatment (like knee surgery).

https://edmontonjournal.com/news/local- ... d-ct-scans

As the article notes, the average wait time is 96 days, which is why a private clinic opened up here and allows people to jump the queue by paying $550-775.

http://x-ray.ca/private-mri-ct/#

Alberta (as well as Manitoba and Ontario) has allowed a fairly large for-profit corporation to build and operate medi-centres across the province.

https://www.medicentres.com/

Until I got a family doctor, I used them quite often. The staff is friendly and professional and they have locations all over the place, so they're super convenient. And like every other clinic in Alberta, I only pay when I want something not covered under the fee guide, like a physical for employment/insurance purposes.

[housewife]

Tricks Tricks:

housewife housewife:

My point is OHIP pays less than 10 bucks but I was charged 25 for the appointment. So apparently there already is a double standard in our healthcare.

The hours on hold and the idiots is just normal. The big piss off though is the fact that there are people who don’t have 25 - 40 extra bucks in their budget who wouldn’t get the test which may end up costing OHIP more in the long run cause it’s an early detection test.

Yes, Doctors can charge someone more who isn't covered. That's one of the advantages of a single payer system. Costs of pretty much all procedures are less under a single payer than the for profit system in the U.S. That's why we spend less than half, per capita, than the U.S. does.

The issue is that your doctor was an idiot and charged you instead of charging OHIP, which is what they were supposed to do. At least that's how I'm seeing it. He charged you what he would charge an uninsured person, when you were insured and he should have charged OHIP. It does appear it's only covered once every 3 years though. So that could have changed things.

Yeah my doctor was an idiot but also there are two billing systems provincial health care and non-residents. The pricing is very different.

[peck420]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Shouldice is owned by a large company.

Shouldice is still listed as owned by the Shouldice family.

I know there was a ton of talk about them being purchased in 2012. Maybe someone from Ontario can enlighten us as to why they are still legally filed under the Shouldice family for ownership.
https://www.centralhealthline.ca/displayService.aspx?id=131635

$1:

Executives: Dr Byrnes Shouldice - Owner

$1:

This information was last completely updated on June 19, 2018

Maybe the grandfathering was non-transferable? Really the only thing I can come up with.

[Tricks]

Because the deal fell through, the company never actually bought Shouldice.

https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/bid-to-buy-t ... -1.1023168

[peck420]

Thanks...so why does one poster keep claiming that it is owned by some large corp?

Sorry, I don't follow Ontario much.

[BartSimpson]

peck420 peck420:

Thanks...so why does one poster keep claiming that it is owned by some large corp?

Sorry, I don't follow Ontario much.

I don't either, even though I'm registered to vote in Ontario.

[llama66]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

I don't either, even though I'm registered to vote in Ontario.

California?

[Tricks]

peck420 peck420:

Thanks...so why does one poster keep claiming that it is owned by some large corp?

Sorry, I don't follow Ontario much.

Because they don't bother to fact check.

[BartSimpson]

Tricks Tricks:

peck420 peck420:

Thanks...so why does one poster keep claiming that it is owned by some large corp?

Sorry, I don't follow Ontario much.

Because they don't bother to fact check.

The same can be said for some of the people who were insisting that Shouldice was not private.

[N_Fiddledog]

peck420 peck420:

Thanks...so why does one poster keep claiming that it is owned by some large corp?

Sorry, I don't follow Ontario much.

Yeah, I was going by the National Post article posted earlier. This one:

"Pioneering for-profit Shouldice hernia clinic sold for $14-million

The for-profit hernia-repair surgery clinics has been sold to a private health corporation, ending a family-owned dynasty that played a unique role in Canada's health-care system"

https://nationalpost.com/health/pioneer ... 14-million

Sounded to me like it was pretty much money in the bank.

Guess I was wrong. Oops.

Doesn't change the fact Shouldice is still a private, for-profit service though.