[herbie]

Getting rid of "and heirs" part would be a good start, give some Canadians time to grow up. Even substituting the abstract 'crown' would be start.
Too many who think tradition, pomp and circumstance matter. Take a brain laxative.
The monarch can be a face on a coin, the 'Head of State' shit should be someone from Canada that Canadians elected by direct ballot.

[andyt]

So Harper as head of state?

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[Strutz]

Holy shit but this thread has taken an unexpected turn since page 1 (just a few hours ago) when I posted my thoughts on the issue...

WTF?

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[herbie]

andyt andyt:

So Harper as head of state?

Fraid not. I didn't get to vote for him, his party did.
The GG can be the head of state, even still called a GG. Everyone would get to vote on the GG.

[Gunnair]

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No...you've borrowed it. It is important to you.

So clearly symbols have value. You ought to try harder to see that value of symbols doesn't end at your discretion.

They have value, absolutely. I love symbols. All my art has always been various works of symbols. It is very powerful stuff, flags and symbols.

I don't expect anyone to swear loyalty to any of mine if they call themselves a communist though, because that's dumb, right? If someone doesn't like my symbol, it doesn't automatically mean they don't like communism.

Dust off the social studies book. You're not doing a thing for your case when you don't appear to understand the role of the head of state within the constitution.

[Gunnair]

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My proposal.

$1:

I swear (or affirm) that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to the Canadian people and Canadian land, and that I will faithfully observe the laws of Canada and fulfil my duties as a Canadian citizen.

Tell me why this is worse.

EDIT: I used some older version of the oath originally

The Canandian people include you...Luka Magnotta, Vince Lee, Elizabeth May, Stephen Harper, Pamela Palmater...

I don't swear allegiance to you or them.

The allegiance is to the Queen as she is the head of state. it's really that simple.

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herbie herbie:

andyt andyt:

So Harper as head of state?

Fraid not. I didn't get to vote for him, his party did.
The GG can be the head of state, even still called a GG. Everyone would get to vote on the GG.

So like PUtin or Obama? With being elected comes political power, so the role would become more than ceremonial.



or I guess we could do a Canadian Idol sort of thing.

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