[saturn_656]

According to multiple media reports the Ukrainian Navy has been all but decimated. Only one major combatant remains in Ukrainian hands. The bulk of their fleet is either going to be laid up by the Russians or impressed (stolen) by the Black Sea Fleet.

Russia has also stolen Ukraine's combat dolphins.

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[saturn_656]

Would have been nice for some resistance to have been put up. One ship made a go of it before the Russians blew out their rudder.

In addition to ships lost, most of their naval infrastructure was in Crimea. They're going to have to rebuild their navy from damn near scratch.

The USN has some recently decommissioned OHP's. Should refurb them, throw in some SeaHawks, train them on the equipment, etc.

[Jabberwalker]

saturn_656 saturn_656:

Would have been nice for some resistance to have been put up. One ship made a go of it before the Russians blew out their rudder.

In addition to ships lost, most of their naval infrastructure was in Crimea. They're going to have to rebuild their navy from damn near scratch.

The USN has some recently decommissioned OHP's. Should refurb them, throw in some SeaHawks, train them on the equipment, etc.

You have to wonder how much point there is to:

A) a Ukrainian navy that is trapped in the Black Sea and

B) a Russian fleet that is also trapped in the Black Sea.

It's sort of a waste of resources for both parties as either fleet can be bottled up, trapped or even wiped out, depending on the level of conflict. The chances of them making it out of the Dardanelles unscathed is pretty damned close to zero. Both of these nations are land powers by reason of geography. They shouldn't waste a nickel more on ships to tie up and rust in Crimea.

[saturn_656]

Given that the Dardanelles are under NATO control, a western aligned Ukraine shouldn't have much in the way of concern there.

Russia on the other hand...

[Jabberwalker]

saturn_656 saturn_656:

Given that the Dardanelles are under NATO control, a western aligned Ukraine shouldn't have much in the way of concern there.

Russia on the other hand...

The Black Sea is a warship trap.

Where would a Ukrainian fleet even go after making it to the Med? ... to do what? ... and why?

[saturn_656]

Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:

saturn_656 saturn_656:

Given that the Dardanelles are under NATO control, a western aligned Ukraine shouldn't have much in the way of concern there.

Russia on the other hand...

The Black Sea is a warship trap.

Where would a Ukrainian fleet even go after making it to the Med? ... to do what? ... and why?

Participate in NATO and EU exercises and operations.

[Jabberwalker]

Ukraine is not part of NATO.

If that is the intention, though it gives the Russians a valid strategic reason to do what they have just done.

[saturn_656]

Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:

Ukraine is not part of NATO.

If that is the intention, though it gives the Russians a valid strategic reason to do what they have just done.

Their flagship participated in Active Endeavour.

[Jabberwalker]

I'm sure that won't be happening again any time soon.

Perhaps, this seizure of Ukrainian vessels was a direct result of their having participated in that NATO exercise.

[saturn_656]

Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:

I'm sure that won't be happening again any time soon.

Not until they build their navy back up anyway.

[Canadian_Mind]

So what's the deal with the 50k troops on the border?

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[Jabberwalker]

Ever play Risk?

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