[PublicAnimalNo9]

Brenda Brenda:

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Brenda Brenda:

I never said the protective gear was only for body checking.

I take it it must by my ESL or something, because you can't be so stupid that you think I said that.

*shrugs*

Right, what you said was "I'm sorry, but when a so called "sport" needs full protective gear, the fun is gone as far as I am concerned...."

SO would auto racing be more fun if they took away the helmets, full fire suits, restraint systems and safer-barriers?

Only if you take away the drivers rights to bump eachother into the walls and set their cars on fire purposely.

Umm it's not a right. Doing that intentionally can get you black flagged. And you are aware that tires blow without warning sending cars into the wall or other cars right? I've also seen more cars sent into a spin or the wall as a result of the drafting car changing position rather than by a deliberate hit. Then there's driver error at 200mph. But yeah, as long as they can't play bump and run they won't need all that safety equipment
And as far as you're concerned? There are thousands of kids playing hockey right now that would heartily disagree with you about the fun being gone.

Brenda Brenda:

So you are claiming ALL those kids are going to quit playing hockey in Vancouver now?

I am? That's news to me. Ok then, let's play your game. Again, you said "I'm sorry, but when a so called "sport" needs full protective gear, the fun is gone as far as I am concerned...."
Are you claiming you're the sole arbitor of what is fun? Since you don't see the fun of partaking in a sport that requires protective equipment, no-one who plays the game should see the fun in it either?
I merely stated that despite your protestations that sports requiring full body protection isn't fun, there are thousands of kids playing hockey right now that would disagree with you. Elminating checking isn't going to eliminate the protective gear either. There are still many ways to get hurt playing hockey without someone checking you, just look at Taylor Hall. So the sport still won't be "fun to you" since they'll still be wearing protective equipment.

[Brenda]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Brenda Brenda:

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Right, what you said was "I'm sorry, but when a so called "sport" needs full protective gear, the fun is gone as far as I am concerned...."

SO would auto racing be more fun if they took away the helmets, full fire suits, restraint systems and safer-barriers?

Only if you take away the drivers rights to bump eachother into the walls and set their cars on fire purposely.

Umm it's not a right. Doing that intentionally can get you black flagged.

EXACTLY!!!Do you now maybe get my point?? I am not against wearing protective gear, I am wondering why it is ok for kids to run others purposely into the boarding knowing full well that that might seriously injure someone. Fuck, is everybody so slow???

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And you are aware that tires blow without warning sending cars into the wall or other cars right? I've also seen more cars sent into a spin or the wall as a result of the drafting car changing position rather than by a deliberate hit. Then there's driver error at 200mph. But yeah, as long as they can't play bump and run they won't need all that safety equipment

FOR ACCIDENTS YES!!! But not for others PURPOSELY running others off the tracks or into the boarding, because that is not allowed. OMG!!!

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And as far as you're concerned? There are thousands of kids playing hockey right now that would heartily disagree with you about the fun being gone.

Brenda Brenda:

So you are claiming ALL those kids are going to quit playing hockey in Vancouver now?

I am? That's news to me. Ok then, let's play your game. Again, you said "I'm sorry, but when a so called "sport" needs full protective gear, the fun is gone as far as I am concerned...."
Are you claiming you're the sole arbitor of what is fun?

Did I EVER say that? I stated MY personal opinion (and seeing this ban, I am not alone in my concern.

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Since you don't see the fun of partaking in a sport that requires protective equipment, no-one who plays the game should see the fun in it either?
I merely stated that despite your protestations that sports requiring full body protection isn't fun, there are thousands of kids playing hockey right now that would disagree with you. Elminating checking isn't going to eliminate the protective gear either. There are still many ways to get hurt playing hockey without someone checking you, just look at Taylor Hall. So the sport still won't be "fun to you" since they'll still be wearing protective equipment.

"If you can't body check, the game is no fun anymore" is what is stated in the past few pages here.
I am of the opposite opinion (not fact, just an opinion), and I am all of a sudden telling people what they can or can't do? Hell, I did not propose this ban, did I?

[Brenda]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

Brenda Brenda:

That's why only 4 provinces have bike laws. Because 33% of the kids that fall, fall on their heads. Oh, no, it is 33% of the kids that end up in hospital because they fall. Or wait! It is 33% of the kids that end up in hospital after they are run over!!
Hmmm, we don't know, because the study does not differentiate... Your claim that kids fall on their heads fresh off of training wheels is far from proven here...

How many fall of a climbing thing on the play ground? Or sledding? Or just walking?

Or you know, maybe we should just teach them better

I love watching you debate in topics you pretend to know something about.

You consistently bring a knife to a gun fight.

I don't pretend to know anything Funny thing is, I am debated on my opinion

[Canadian_Mind]

Brenda Brenda:

So you are saying we should allow kids to fight on the play ground because it will "humble them" when they get injured??

I've got no issue with two kids having a scrap in the playground. Lord knows I did it enough.

And why shouldn't body checking be accepted? You think it's senseless and useless, I think it has a purpose. I explained why I feel it serves a practical purpose, you still haven't explained why you think it is useless.

Fact of the matter is, hockey isn't hockey without contact. No reason to chip away at a sport because you disagree with a certain aspect of it.

[Brenda]

Canadian_Mind Canadian_Mind:

Brenda Brenda:

So you are saying we should allow kids to fight on the play ground because it will "humble them" when they get injured??

I've got no issue with two kids having a scrap in the playground. Lord knows I did it enough.

And you were always broken up and it was never condoned...

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And why shouldn't body checking be accepted? You think it's senseless and useless, I think it has a purpose. I explained why I feel it serves a practical purpose, you still haven't explained why you think it is useless.

Fact of the matter is, hockey isn't hockey without contact. No reason to chip away at a sport because you disagree with a certain aspect of it.

I don't think you explained the practical purpose of contact, other than "it toughens them up".

Like I said before, I am not saying you shouldn't teach them how to handle when getting body-checked, I am saying that especially with the youngins, it is unnecessary and only starts a lot of bullshit on and off the rink.

Of course it happens. But teaching kids to run into one another, having parents yell obscenities, what is that doing? Leave it to the pro's.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

Brenda Brenda:

Canadian_Mind Canadian_Mind:

Brenda Brenda:

So you are saying we should allow kids to fight on the play ground because it will "humble them" when they get injured??

I've got no issue with two kids having a scrap in the playground. Lord knows I did it enough.

And why shouldn't body checking be accepted? You think it's senseless and useless, I think it has a purpose. I explained why I feel it serves a practical purpose, you still haven't explained why you think it is useless.

Fact of the matter is, hockey isn't hockey without contact. No reason to chip away at a sport because you disagree with a certain aspect of it.

I don't think you explained the practical purpose of contact, other than "it toughens them up".

Like I said before, I am not saying you shouldn't teach them how to handle when getting body-checked, I am saying that especially with the youngins, it is unnecessary and only starts a lot of bullshit on and off the rink.

Of course it happens. But teaching kids to run into one another, having parents yell obscenities, what is that doing? Leave it to the pro's.

Yeah great idea. Then we'll have all kinds of injuries as rookies enter the NHL/AHL/OHL/etc and get clobbered for the first time. Teaching kids to check early is kind'a like taking defensive driving course. You learn what to do in certain situations. And actually, the aspect of checking helps teach young players situational awareness on top teaching them how to properly deliver or receive a check.
Your method would be akin to training for a weight lifting competition by curling juice cans before competing in the 500lb clean and jerk.

[Dragon-Dancer]

Canadian_Mind Canadian_Mind:

Dragon-Dancer Dragon-Dancer:

Played plenty as a kid... not in organized teams mind you but plenty. I just know that the games I enjoyed watching the most involved the least fighting and checking. The flow just seemed to be more intense and the game much more of a show of skill than brute force. That being said I pretty much stopped watching after Gretzky left the Oilers and haven't cared much for the direction the game has gone since then.

You know why Gretzky's time in the Oilers were his, and the teams, golden years eh? He was a skilled player, but the coach ALWAYS had someone on the ice who's specific purpose was to knock the other team's players off Gretzky's ass.

Yeah I do but it never seemed as invasive as it does now. Maybe it's just the way the game has changed over the years that's turned me off it but I really just can't watch it anymore.

[Brenda]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Brenda Brenda:

Canadian_Mind Canadian_Mind:

I've got no issue with two kids having a scrap in the playground. Lord knows I did it enough.

And why shouldn't body checking be accepted? You think it's senseless and useless, I think it has a purpose. I explained why I feel it serves a practical purpose, you still haven't explained why you think it is useless.

Fact of the matter is, hockey isn't hockey without contact. No reason to chip away at a sport because you disagree with a certain aspect of it.

I don't think you explained the practical purpose of contact, other than "it toughens them up".

Like I said before, I am not saying you shouldn't teach them how to handle when getting body-checked, I am saying that especially with the youngins, it is unnecessary and only starts a lot of bullshit on and off the rink.

Of course it happens. But teaching kids to run into one another, having parents yell obscenities, what is that doing? Leave it to the pro's.

Yeah great idea. Then we'll have all kinds of injuries as rookies enter the NHL/AHL/OHL/etc and get clobbered for the first time. Teaching kids to check early is kind'a like taking defensive driving course. You learn what to do in certain situations. And actually, the aspect of checking helps teach young players situational awareness on top teaching them how to properly deliver or receive a check.
Your method would be akin to training for a weight lifting competition by curling juice cans before competing in the 500lb clean and jerk.

Is it so hard to READ???
God damn...
For the last damned time, I have NO problem with teaching kids how to deliver or receive a check. But that does not mean you should allow it during a game that young.

ALL kids and rookies would have followed the same training, so wtf are you going on about??? They'll be able to handle it just fine, just as rookies can now.

[Canadian_Mind]

Brenda Brenda:

Canadian_Mind Canadian_Mind:

Brenda Brenda:

So you are saying we should allow kids to fight on the play ground because it will "humble them" when they get injured??

I've got no issue with two kids having a scrap in the playground. Lord knows I did it enough.

And you were always broken up and it was never condoned...

If you read my post about always being broken up, it was usually the horses. Only injury I ever got from getting into scraps was a busted nose. Big deal.

And actually, the one time I got caught I got in severe shit from my mother. She wanted to have me charged despite the fact I was the one that was attacked (by a guy twice my size no less). Needless to say, I learned that there is a time and a place for everything, schoolyard fights included. It's a lesson that has served me very well ever since.

Public animal responded to the rest of the post well enough.

DD, I agree the game has changed, and not for the better. But banning checks at a young age is not the answer. If anything, I'd blame the decline of the conduct of NHL players on that fact. Tying it into my fighting and getting hurt makes you humble argument, the group of kids they started cracking down on for physical play in the late 80s and the early 90s is the same group of kids that are constantly getting hurt and hurting each other.

If they grew up in the same age Gretzky did, they would have learned as kids that "Goonery" isn't accepted while they were still young and malleable. Today kids are learning it far to late. Both because they learn it when they are old enough to do real damage to each other, and because they have developed to much as people to alter their over aggressive behaviour. This is shit that needs to be nipped in the bud at a young age, and an unfortunate consequence of softening the play of the kids first years in hockey, while preventing injuries, means that the personality traits that lead to aggressive and outright destructive behaviour aren't discovered until it is far to late.

And that's another thing about fighting, win or lose, you learn to have a sense of honour and respect, something thoroughly lacking in todays generations.

[Regina]

Dragon-Dancer Dragon-Dancer:

Regina Regina:

Dragon-Dancer Dragon-Dancer:

There is no point to contact in hockey, ban it altogether. The game is far more entertaining when it's a game of speed and skill as opposed to a game based around huge walls of flesh who exist only to injure the opposing team. Leave that for football where it belongs.

You've never played have you.

Played plenty as a kid... not in organized teams mind you but plenty.

It shows.

[Brenda]

Canadian_Mind Canadian_Mind:

Brenda Brenda:

Canadian_Mind Canadian_Mind:

I've got no issue with two kids having a scrap in the playground. Lord knows I did it enough.

And you were always broken up and it was never condoned...

If you read my post about always being broken up, it was usually the horses. Only injury I ever got from getting into scraps was a busted nose. Big deal.

Ehhmmm, by "broken up" I did not mean "injured", I meant "separated by adults".

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And actually, the one time I got caught I got in severe shit from my mother. She wanted to have me charged despite the fact I was the one that was attacked (by a guy twice my size no less). Needless to say, I learned that there is a time and a place for everything, schoolyard fights included. It's a lesson that has served me very well ever since.

[Regina]

Brenda Brenda:

Not being a fan is equal to having ZERO knowledge? There's a reason why my kids are not playing hockey and it is NOT because I am not a fan.

So why don't they play hockey? Are they busy doing something else that prevents them from trying it?

[Dragon-Dancer]

Regina Regina:

Dragon-Dancer Dragon-Dancer:

Played plenty as a kid... not in organized teams mind you but plenty.

It shows.

Shows what? that the ultra competitive yahoos that played in organized teams made the whole thing far less fun for the rest of us that just wanted to enjoy the game? I'll buy that.

[Regina]

Dragon-Dancer Dragon-Dancer:

Regina Regina:

Dragon-Dancer Dragon-Dancer:

Played plenty as a kid... not in organized teams mind you but plenty.

It shows.

Shows what? that the ultra competitive yahoos that played in organized teams made the whole thing far less fun for the rest of us that just wanted to enjoy the game? I'll buy that.

It shows you know shit from putty while casually watching from a distance. Understanding comes from playing.

[Canadian_Mind]

Brenda Brenda:

Is it so hard to READ???
God damn...
For the last damned time, I have NO problem with teaching kids how to deliver or receive a check. But that does not mean you should allow it during a game that young.

ALL kids and rookies would have followed the same training, so wtf are you going on about??? They'll be able to handle it just fine, just as rookies can now.

Are you nuts??? No mater how much you drill and practice something, you will never become good at it unless you do it in real time in real situations. Something called "experience." No amount of training or practice will ever be equivalent to just diving in and experiencing things first hand.