[andyt]

Gunnair Gunnair:

Pass it through the 'how would I react if a Taliban did the same?' litmus test and tell me what you think.

I would think exactly the same. As I said, I would want someone to do this for me, same as we would do for any dog.

There should be a trial to establish if the facts are as stated. If he killed him for revenge or convenience, that's another matter. If he did it for humanitarian reasons, likely knowing he would catch shit for it, he should walk. Kick him out of the army if you want.

[2Cdo]

Tricks Tricks:

What's the SOP for wounded enemy combatants? Leave them? Take them with you as prisoner?

Wounded enemy combatants that are no longer a threat, ie. weapon down, hands up, white flag etc., are to be given first aid to the best of your ability and to be tranferred to medical attention and detention.

Clear as mud?

[PublicAnimalNo9]

What I find ironic is, during the most obscene event mankind can get involved in, somebody is going to be punished for murder. This is one of those cases where the ONLY people that should be allowed to judge him are other combat soldiers.
Those of you that are calling this a crime, that AREN'T and have never been in combat, have never been ambushed and have never had people trying to kill you on a daily basis need to keep your armchair judgements to yourselves.
For God's sake people grow up. Do you honestly believe for one minute that this is the first time in the history of the Canadian military this has happened?
The real issue is, this particular soldier was far from a malcontent, had an extremely good record and was a professional through and through. Until you've been in combat, you have ZERO right to judge his actions.
What I find interesting is, this is actually getting traction in HERE!! The toweliban are using IED's. That's just a fancy name for landmines. Last time I checked, there was a global ban on the use of landmines but I sure don't hear the peanut gallery shouting about that everytime one of our men or women come home in a body bag after being blown up by one. But you'll get all worked up about ONE of our soldiers killing the enemy while still abuzz with adrenaline after being ambushed. Pathetic!

[martin14]

2Cdo 2Cdo:

Tricks Tricks:

What's the SOP for wounded enemy combatants? Leave them? Take them with you as prisoner?

Wounded enemy combatants that are no longer a threat, ie. weapon down, hands up, white flag etc., are to be given first aid to the best of your ability and to be tranferred to medical attention and detention.

Clear as mud?

Gotta ask, and when a larger enemy force is coming,
orders to clear out, and taking care of your 'prisoner'
will slow you down, endangering yourself and others................. ?

[poquas]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Last time I checked, there was a global ban on the use of landmines but I sure don't hear the peanut gallery shouting about that everytime one of our men or women come home in a body bag after being blown up by one. But you'll get all worked up about ONE of our soldiers killing the enemy while still abuzz with adrenaline after being ambushed. Pathetic!

The "global ban" is only honoured by those who signed the treaty. The Taliban certainly didn't sign, nor did the US, Russia, among others.

You might want to get your facts straight and "check" again.

The point to this is that a soldier is not above the law. If he's guilty he deserves to be punished.

[Tricks]

2Cdo 2Cdo:

Tricks Tricks:

What's the SOP for wounded enemy combatants? Leave them? Take them with you as prisoner?

Wounded enemy combatants that are no longer a threat, ie. weapon down, hands up, white flag etc., are to be given first aid to the best of your ability and to be tranferred to medical attention and detention.

Clear as mud?

Pretty much. In the information that's given, would you think that the transferring to medical attention and detention was possible? This question is posed to all those who served. You guys know best what it's like, is what this guy did even remotely justifiable? Obviously it's hard to judge given the info, but from what is known.

[Gunnair]

andyt andyt:

Gunnair Gunnair:

Pass it through the 'how would I react if a Taliban did the same?' litmus test and tell me what you think.

I would think exactly the same. As I said, I would want someone to do this for me, same as we would do for any dog.

There should be a trial to establish if the facts are as stated. If he killed him for revenge or convenience, that's another matter. If he did it for humanitarian reasons, likely knowing he would catch shit for it, he should walk. Kick him out of the army if you want.

There's a reason why we keep out absolute hopeless idiots lost in their own moral wasteland...

[Gunnair]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

What I find ironic is, during the most obscene event mankind can get involved in, somebody is going to be punished for murder. This is one of those cases where the ONLY people that should be allowed to judge him are other combat soldiers.
Those of you that are calling this a crime, that AREN'T and have never been in combat, have never been ambushed and have never had people trying to kill you on a daily basis need to keep your armchair judgements to yourselves.
For God's sake people grow up. Do you honestly believe for one minute that this is the first time in the history of the Canadian military this has happened?
The real issue is, this particular soldier was far from a malcontent, had an extremely good record and was a professional through and through. Until you've been in combat, you have ZERO right to judge his actions.
What I find interesting is, this is actually getting traction in HERE!! The toweliban are using IED's. That's just a fancy name for landmines. Last time I checked, there was a global ban on the use of landmines but I sure don't hear the peanut gallery shouting about that everytime one of our men or women come home in a body bag after being blown up by one. But you'll get all worked up about ONE of our soldiers killing the enemy while still abuzz with adrenaline after being ambushed. Pathetic!

Ask yourself this - is the kind of soldier who will execute a wounded helpless enemy combatant in cold blood the kind of guy you'd also send to Haiti, the Winnipeg Flood or walking around downtown Toronto?

[herbie]

The point missed is that there IS a SOP and military code of conduct. And any hint of violation they get investigated. Just to re-inforce them.
Not like some civilian trial where they worry about likelihood of conviction before even charging you.
What he's accused of won't be tolerated. Period. That's more important to the Forces than the innocence or guilt of one guy.

"You're disarmed. Here's a hankie to hold your guts in. I radioed your location in, done the best of my ability, gotta get back on patrol. Good luck Mohammed, hope you don't die before the doctor gets here."
would have avoided the whole matter.

[2Cdo]

martin14 martin14:

2Cdo 2Cdo:

Tricks Tricks:

What's the SOP for wounded enemy combatants? Leave them? Take them with you as prisoner?

Wounded enemy combatants that are no longer a threat, ie. weapon down, hands up, white flag etc., are to be given first aid to the best of your ability and to be tranferred to medical attention and detention.

Clear as mud?

Gotta ask, and when a larger enemy force is coming,
orders to clear out, and taking care of your 'prisoner'
will slow you down, endangering yourself and others................. ?

My call, leave the prisoner in place to be picked up by advancing bad guys. Your safety ALWAYS comes first.

[EyeBrock]

herbie herbie:

The point missed is that there IS a SOP and military code of conduct. And any hint of violation they get investigated. Just to re-inforce them.
Not like some civilian trial where they worry about likelihood of conviction before even charging you.
What he's accused of won't be tolerated. Period. That's more important to the Forces than the innocence or guilt of one guy.

"You're disarmed. Here's a hankie to hold your guts in. I radioed your location in, done the best of my ability, gotta get back on patrol. Good luck Mohammed, hope you don't die before the doctor gets here."
would have avoided the whole matter.

Well said herbie.

[2Cdo]

Tricks Tricks:

2Cdo 2Cdo:

Tricks Tricks:

What's the SOP for wounded enemy combatants? Leave them? Take them with you as prisoner?

Wounded enemy combatants that are no longer a threat, ie. weapon down, hands up, white flag etc., are to be given first aid to the best of your ability and to be tranferred to medical attention and detention.

Clear as mud?

Pretty much. In the information that's given, would you think that the transferring to medical attention and detention was possible? This question is posed to all those who served. You guys know best what it's like, is what this guy did even remotely justifiable? Obviously it's hard to judge given the info, but from what is known.

Sorry Tricks but I wasn't there and I won't speculate on the circumstances or accusations.

[Tricks]

2Cdo 2Cdo:

Sorry Tricks but I wasn't there and I won't speculate on the circumstances or accusations.

Fair enough, guess we gotta wait to see what happens.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

Gunnair Gunnair:

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

What I find ironic is, during the most obscene event mankind can get involved in, somebody is going to be punished for murder. This is one of those cases where the ONLY people that should be allowed to judge him are other combat soldiers.
Those of you that are calling this a crime, that AREN'T and have never been in combat, have never been ambushed and have never had people trying to kill you on a daily basis need to keep your armchair judgements to yourselves.
For God's sake people grow up. Do you honestly believe for one minute that this is the first time in the history of the Canadian military this has happened?
The real issue is, this particular soldier was far from a malcontent, had an extremely good record and was a professional through and through. Until you've been in combat, you have ZERO right to judge his actions.
What I find interesting is, this is actually getting traction in HERE!! The toweliban are using IED's. That's just a fancy name for landmines. Last time I checked, there was a global ban on the use of landmines but I sure don't hear the peanut gallery shouting about that everytime one of our men or women come home in a body bag after being blown up by one. But you'll get all worked up about ONE of our soldiers killing the enemy while still abuzz with adrenaline after being ambushed. Pathetic!

Ask yourself this - is the kind of soldier who will execute a wounded helpless enemy combatant in cold blood the kind of guy you'd also send to Haiti, the Winnipeg Flood or walking around downtown Toronto?

Well, I have major doubts that a group of toweliban will be waiting in ambush in TO or Winnipeg so yeah, I would, ESPECIALLY considering this guy's record BEFORE the incident.

[poquas]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Well, I have major doubts that a group of toweliban will be waiting in ambush in TO or Winnipeg so yeah, I would, ESPECIALLY considering this guy's record BEFORE the incident.

Before the "incident" he might have been Mother Teresa.

During the "incident" he might have committed murder.

"Before" sure as hell doesn't excuse the “incident” if in fact it's true.