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PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 11:52 am
 


Is this about the treatment of modern day natives, or those from 300 years ago?





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I think it is about the treatment of Natives for the last 300 years. The complaints from the one side of the fence are that Natives get too much now that they are actually allowed to hire lawyers, vote and defend their rights.

But those are the same people unwilling to recoup the millions of dollars from the people who actually stole from us and them. I guess it is easier to tell the dark skinned victims to stfu than it is to chase the light skinned perps.


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The Mohawks didn't sign a treaty. They got land in Canada for helping the British in the American Revolutionary War.

You need to move out of your provincial paradigm and look at history. The Mohawks moved here with the British and Loyalist Americans, then they sold their land grants over time, just like many of of the Loyalists did.

We have been here so many times before and your uneducated opinions never change.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 12:06 pm
 


EyeBrock EyeBrock:
The Mohawks didn't sign a treaty. They got land in Canada for helping the British in the American Revolutionary War.

You need to move out of your provincial paradigm and look at history. The Mohawks moved here with the British and Loyalist Americans, then they sold their land grants over time, just like many of of the Loyalists did.

We have been here so many times before and your uneducated opinions never change.


It's because donny is a ignorant racist who would much rather blame the white guys than change his typical biased opinion.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 12:06 pm
 


EyeBrock EyeBrock:

We have been here so many times before and your uneducated opinions never change.


C'mon Eyebrock, you know this is all whiteys fault. And when did Donny Racist ever let anything like facts intrude on his hatred? :roll:


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2Cdo 2Cdo:
EyeBrock EyeBrock:

We have been here so many times before and your uneducated opinions never change.


C'mon Eyebrock, you know this is all whiteys fault. And when did Donny Racist ever let anything like facts intrude on his hatred? :roll:



Agreed.
The real shame is that some people will think all natives are like him.

There are issues that need to be resolved, but his way and the ways of the so called Mohawk 'Warriors' just breed more hatred.

A constructive dialogue is needed and the native Nations need to stop the 'I'm a victim' and the blame game and become true Canadians, not special cases that are a collective basket case.

Time for our natives to move on, get with the program and make something of themselves.

The average refugee from some Third World shit-hole can achieve prosperity and contribute to Canadian society within a generation. It's time our First Nations took off the ski-masks, pulled down the barricades and tried to achieve something.


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The bottom line, as I see it, is that what we're doing isn't working. It scarcely matters whether you're native or white or black. Neither does it matter if you're sympathetic to Native issues or completely racist against Natives. Regardless from what perspective you come, you MUST conclude that the status quo is not working. The only forward course of action that will effect positive changes is an admission that the system needs a complete overhaul.





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EyeBrock EyeBrock:
The Mohawks didn't sign a treaty. They got land in Canada for helping the British in the American Revolutionary War.

You need to move out of your provincial paradigm and look at history. The Mohawks moved here with the British and Loyalist Americans, then they sold their land grants over time, just like many of of the Loyalists did.

We have been here so many times before and your uneducated opinions never change.


I'm not arguing with you.

What I'm saying is that the poor reputation Canada has in dealing with First Nations leads me to believe that these folks probably have some legitimate beef.

Considering that there are more than 800 land claims outstanding, and hundreds that have been settled, forgive me for not believing you pleas that out of the hundreds of groups of First Nations that somehow the Mohawk got treated more honestly than the rest of us.

We are not winning land claims and such with fiction. We are proving that the Canadians used technicalities and fraud and deceit to take what is rightfully ours. The crimes and the atrocities that your people committed are a shame to your legacy and the Crown that represents you.

That lack of integrity leads even your own people to believe us - and that is what prevents any lawful authority from intervening in Caledonia.

The people who advocate for the removal and/or murder of the Natives protesting in Caledonia are the minority. That is why the police and the government are trying to outwait or negotiate with the Mohawk. If any politician thought they could win more votes than they would lose, those Mohawk would be run out of there months and months ago.

And for the rest of you, if you make a promise to me and I hold you accountable for that promise, don’t get the impression that I am holding you accountable because you are white. I am holding you accountable because you made a promise.

Being Canadian has responsibilities. Yours is to have the integrity to uphold the promises made in the Treaties and other promises that allow you (under your own laws) to live on this land. I am a Canadian covered by treaty, so are you. It is not called "blaming whitey". It is called a fact.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 2:47 pm
 


Donny, the underlying issue that comes into play here is that Natives are essentially saying that they are not Canadian as they play out this little drama. Were you guys going to the barricades demanding your rights as Canadians and then waving the Maple Leaf you might get a tad more sympathy.

Just a thought.





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Fair enough.

But then don't lump our issues that deal with land claims and treaty rights with those of the Mohawk.


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http://www.canadabenefits.gc.ca/faeclis ... =en&geo=99

Now that I found this link as the only copy I had was the old fashioned printed word maybe some on here can take the time to learn what and how they work . If a student go,s to university then the band pays out of there general revenue stream . In other words a house may not get paid as the money went into a student and hope for the future getting an education .
And maybe all you hard done to students can think what it would be like going to school not knowing how you would find a place to live or where you could find a grant to buy your books . Just so you know it is alot harder for Natives as they do not get loans easily . In fact they don,t as no collateral from parents to offer as they have nothing they own out, right thanks to the Indian Act which has been designed that way . I do not profess to have all of the answers but some of the rhetoric I hear on here will not help .

If you look only at the Mohawk deal then you are very blind to most of the problem . Lemmy good observation it is time for a new and modern deal and yes Donny the natives have to change along with it . Kiss the chiefs good bye as alot of them are holding the future back from all .


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 3:45 pm
 


Donny_Brasco Donny_Brasco:
Fair enough.

But then don't lump our issues that deal with land claims and treaty rights with those of the Mohawk.


Then be right out front in denouncing the Mohawks little temper tantrums and no one will associate you with their childish antics.

I'm content that you just said you're not a Mohawk and that is sufficient for me to not associate you with them. [B-o]


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EyeBrock EyeBrock:
OldChum OldChum:
Look it up it is there Stats Canada and the Status Of Immigrant grants which pay immigrants more then we pay our seniors . You have to do a bit of looking but that is the fun of it .
Did you also know that we spend more on French lessons for the Civil service then on Native Languages. As I have said look it up I do not have the links to give you nor the time to find it again. I have no agenda and really do not like being talked down to by you . You are unwilling to allow some one else to have their view even though you do not agree with it
I have done alot of research into this and have found all the facts I need to have , some how you never seem to post your,s either . Some time when I have the time I will find them for you cause I do not want you to think for a minute that you are as smart as you think you are .



So unable to articulate a response then eh?



No and if can take the time to read it , as I know you will probaly won,t you can tell me why we who do not believe what you have to say. Are so wrong .


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OldChum OldChum:
EyeBrock EyeBrock:
OldChum OldChum:
Look it up it is there Stats Canada and the Status Of Immigrant grants which pay immigrants more then we pay our seniors . You have to do a bit of looking but that is the fun of it .
Did you also know that we spend more on French lessons for the Civil service then on Native Languages. As I have said look it up I do not have the links to give you nor the time to find it again. I have no agenda and really do not like being talked down to by you . You are unwilling to allow some one else to have their view even though you do not agree with it
I have done alot of research into this and have found all the facts I need to have , some how you never seem to post your,s either . Some time when I have the time I will find them for you cause I do not want you to think for a minute that you are as smart as you think you are .



So unable to articulate a response then eh?



No and if can take the time to read it , as I know you will probaly won,t you can tell me why we who do not believe what you have to say. Are so wrong .


Come on mate, English a second language?


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