[Gunnair]

romanP romanP:

$1:

Have you spoken to any American military recruiters?

No. Have you? I have spoken to many Canadian recruiters, and frankly, I have spoken to many recruits. So, I think I have a leg up here.

$1:

Can you say for certain that you know what their practises are?

Nope.

$1:

I'm only going by what I saw the two recruiters in Fahrenheit 9/11 doing, which could very well be a very biased picture of American recruiters, but I can't see it being all that far fetched that there are others like them, who have a similar lack of ethics.

So... your premise is not actually based on speaking with American recuiters, or American recruits, or if nothing else, Canadian recruiters or Canadian recruits, but what you saw in a movie?

Wow...

Maybe that's why your assertions only draw snide remarks.

[martin14]

Gunnair Gunnair:

So... your premise is not actually based on speaking with American recuiters, or American recruits, or if nothing else, Canadian recruiters or Canadian recruits, but what you saw in a movie?

Wow...

Maybe that's why your assertions only draw snide remarks.

Gotta agree 100% Gunnair.

Roman, those ideas are really stretching it out too far.

[romanP]

Gunnair Gunnair:

"romanP" wrote:

$1:

I'm basing my assumptions on the fact that some people do not watch or read news, and prefer to remain ignorant of that aspect of existence.

Alright then. Lets have some facts then.

Do you really, honestly believe that there are no people who do not watch or read news? I don't think I need to back that one up, you probably even know a few.

$1:

$1:

Such people may not know that military combat can be a deadly activity. The news is also very sanitised for public viewing when it comes to military affairs. Even some of those who do watch or read news may think that no Americans have died in combat. We've got people who think the moon landing is fake, so why not?

Please support these assertions with facts.

The only thing I've asserted is that military news is sanitised for the public. American news won't even show a coffin coming home when a soldier is killed. Try again.

[romanP]

Gunnair Gunnair:

romanP romanP:

Have you spoken to any American military recruiters?

No. Have you? I have spoken to many Canadian recruiters, and frankly, I have spoken to many recruits. So, I think I have a leg up here.

We're talking about American recruiters. Please try to follow the topic, we're talking about the American military.

$1:

$1:

Can you say for certain that you know what their practises are?

Nope.

Then how can you say that this isn't happening? How do you know that it's impossible?

$1:

$1:

I'm only going by what I saw the two recruiters in Fahrenheit 9/11 doing, which could very well be a very biased picture of American recruiters, but I can't see it being all that far fetched that there are others like them, who have a similar lack of ethics.

So... your premise is not actually based on speaking with American recuiters, or American recruits, or if nothing else, Canadian recruiters or Canadian recruits, but what you saw in a movie?

The movie was a documentary.

$1:

Maybe that's why your assertions only draw snide remarks.

Or maybe it's just because you're short on reason and high on trolling.

[romanP]

martin14 martin14:

Gotta agree 100% Gunnair.

Roman, those ideas are really stretching it out too far.

Oh look, two trolls agree. Big surprise.

[Praxius]

Gunnair Gunnair:

Don't wander in as a clueless newbie...

OOooooOooo... Original... I'm so hurt Got anything worthwhile to say yet?

[EyeBrock]

romanP romanP:

martin14 martin14:

Gotta agree 100% Gunnair.

Roman, those ideas are really stretching it out too far.

Oh look, two trolls agree. Big surprise.

People are trolls if they challenge you're groundless posts?

Come on, trying to push forward the point that people joining the US Army don't realise they will be expected to fight is just too ridiculous.

These are all volunteers and the name "Army" should be the first clue.

Maybe they think the camo uniforms and assault rifles they get issued are just for show?

[Praxius]

Gunnair Gunnair:

Fact of the matter is, there are those who have far more information and experience on this topic than you.

I imagine there are. You're not one of them however.

$1:

You refuse to acknowledge that, hiding behind the fact it's Canadian military vs American military. Demographics may have some differences here, but not much.

It's not hiding behind anything, it's simple fact that Canadian forces do not operate exactly as American forces. As stated previously by another member, Canadian forces have more flexibility when it comes to figuring out where they are going to be deployed:

Smacle -
"If you don't want to go, we don't want to take you. It's that simple. There is a point a few month before a tour where you have to sign a "warning order" and after that you are locked in but by that point anybody who doesn't know what to expect is a damn fool."

Last I heard, US troops don't have such a thing, or at least it's twisted in such a way that they feel they have no choice.

as an example of those fighting against this twist of logic:

Dahr Jamail | Ehren Watada: "Soldiers Can Choose to Stop Fighting"
http://www.truthout.org/article/dahr-ja ... p-fighting

But since so many are told that they signed a contract and have no say, many believe this.

That's the problem.

$1:

Whether you like it or not, serving members here have far more expertise in this than you, so get over yourself.

A wonderful assumption based on nothing, you don't have one lick of a clue what I know or don't, so spare me the preaching.

[romanP]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

romanP romanP:

martin14 martin14:

Gotta agree 100% Gunnair.

Roman, those ideas are really stretching it out too far.

Oh look, two trolls agree. Big surprise.

People are trolls if they challenge you're groundless posts?

I knew that would be the next response, and the answer is no. They are trolls because they troll. It just happens that both of them agree while being unable to reasonably dismantle the idea that some people might be incredibly ignorant of the role of the military.

$1:

Come on, trying to push forward the point that people joining the US Army don't realise they will be expected to fight is just too ridiculous.

It may be ridiculous, but not impossible. Sometimes reality is ridiculous.

$1:

These are all volunteers and the name "Army" should be the first clue.

If you don't know what the army does, the name "Army" isn't going to tell you anything.

$1:

Maybe they think the camo uniforms and assault rifles they get issued are just for show?

Some might. And why not? We've got people dressed in red suits and big fuzzy hats guarding Parliament Hill and the War Memorial with assault rifles, but they're mostly just for show.

[romanP]

Praxius Praxius:

$1:

Whether you like it or not, serving members here have far more expertise in this than you, so get over yourself.

A wonderful assumption based on nothing, you don't have one lick of a clue what I know or don't, so spare me the preaching.

Chalk one up for my argument, here's my supporting evidence!

[EyeBrock]

Those Reservists have a web page. It looks like the guy's you describe as "dressed in big red suits and fuzzy hats", know what it is to be a soldier too.

http://www.ggfg.ottawa.on.ca/

Your argument just isn't making sense.

[romanP]

You're talking about people who are already enlisted. I'm talking about people who might have never seen any sort of military action outside of maybe a parade.

[2Cdo]

romanP romanP:

The movie was a documentary.

That's the funniest thing I've read all day!

[Gunnair]

romanP romanP:

Gunnair Gunnair:

"romanP" wrote:

$1:

I'm basing my assumptions on the fact that some people do not watch or read news, and prefer to remain ignorant of that aspect of existence.

Alright then. Lets have some facts then.

Do you really, honestly believe that there are no people who do not watch or read news? I don't think I need to back that one up, you probably even know a few.

$1:

$1:

Such people may not know that military combat can be a deadly activity. The news is also very sanitised for public viewing when it comes to military affairs. Even some of those who do watch or read news may think that no Americans have died in combat. We've got people who think the moon landing is fake, so why not?

Please support these assertions with facts.

The only thing I've asserted is that military news is sanitised for the public. American news won't even show a coffin coming home when a soldier is killed. Try again.

Figures.

[SprCForr]

Do yourself a favour and don't ever tell a Guardsmen that they're just for "show".

Their ceremonial duties do not lessen their abilities as soldiers one bit.

/Unless it's looking after Carl Gustav.