[sandorski]

martin14 martin14:

sandorski sandorski:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Then what is your position on this sandorski?

Compare the 2 groups and come to the inevitable conclusion: Non-Natives live in a much better Society no matter what criteria you use. Our Society is based on the Rule of Law which includes the suppression of Vigiltiism. Without that we lose.

That also requires the police to provide security services in place of the
citizen. When they fail to do that, we already lost.

The issue now, since the police have given up, is what to provide in its place.

I agree that the people have a legit Beef. Just disagree on a Militia being the solution.

[llama66]

unfortuneatly the Police Service sworn to protect the people of this town are not, so what are they to do?

[sandorski]

llama66 llama66:

unfortuneatly the Police Service sworn to protect the people of this town are not, so what are they to do?

Raise a stink.

[Donny_Brasco]

martin14 martin14:

sandorski sandorski:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Then what is your position on this sandorski?

Compare the 2 groups and come to the inevitable conclusion: Non-Natives live in a much better Society no matter what criteria you use. Our Society is based on the Rule of Law which includes the suppression of Vigiltiism. Without that we lose.

That also requires the police to provide security services in place of the
citizen. When they fail to do that, we already lost.

The issue now, since the police have given up, is what to provide in its place.

You also lose when you ignore the legal title the Natives may or may not have to that land.

Why is it that you support upholding Canadian laws when it suits one group but ignore them for another?

Natives just have to shut up and let go despite legal claim to vast areas of land in Canada?

While you say NOTHING to the now rich families of those who stole from Canada and which you are now liable as a taxpayer to pay back to the Indians.

Seems backward to me.

[Gunnair]

Donny_Brasco Donny_Brasco:

martin14 martin14:

sandorski sandorski:

Compare the 2 groups and come to the inevitable conclusion: Non-Natives live in a much better Society no matter what criteria you use. Our Society is based on the Rule of Law which includes the suppression of Vigiltiism. Without that we lose.

That also requires the police to provide security services in place of the
citizen. When they fail to do that, we already lost.

The issue now, since the police have given up, is what to provide in its place.

You also lose when you ignore the legal title the Natives may or may not have to that land.

Why is it that you support upholding Canadian laws when it suits one group but ignore them for another?

Natives just have to shut up and let go despite legal claim to vast areas of land in Canada?

While you say NOTHING to the now rich families of those who stole from Canada and which you are now liable as a taxpayer to pay back to the Indians.

Seems backward to me.

The potential for legal title does not allow for the thugism being employed by the natives of Caledonia.

As you like to boast... deal with it in court.

[Gunnair]

sandorski sandorski:

llama66 llama66:

unfortuneatly the Police Service sworn to protect the people of this town are not, so what are they to do?

Raise a stink.

Raising a militia is certainly a way of raising a stink.

[llama66]

sandorski sandorski:

llama66 llama66:

unfortuneatly the Police Service sworn to protect the people of this town are not, so what are they to do?

Raise a stink.

they have, they are still ignored by Queen's Park and the OPP. What are they supposed to do?

[martin14]

Donnie, if/when the natives succeed in their claim, they can do whatever they
want with the land.


Until then, the land has title to someone else,

and the natives have zero rights to this territory,

What they have done so far is criminal, bordering on terrorism.


Deal with it in court first.

[PENATRATOR]

Brasco

PROVE in court that they have legal title, if they can, then by all means your welcome to it, however, should they lose the court battle, it's back to "fucking whitey" and roadblocks. Just where the hell do they expect to get by holding a town hostage and assualting innocent people?
You mention another community that was awarded a settlement. Did they resolve that thru force or was it as a result of legal proceedings? I would be interested in hearing how that one worked out if it was done peacfully, maybe everybody else could follow suit use it as a bluerint of how to deal with this shit in an adult and civilized manner.

[llama66]

you can bet if a bunch of non-natives occupied part of a reserve the OPP and Queen's Park would respond quickly. Its time for the double standards to stop and for the Government to take action, this is terrorism, a town lives in fear. If the Natives won't vacate the land peacefully then perhaps its time to send a regiment in to remove the natives from the land, and instead of allowing them to return to their reserves peacefully, we hold them on security certificates, and charge them under the Terrorism Act.

[ShepherdsDog]

The Mohawks unlike most other native peoples don't have a traditional/ancestral to this land. Eyebrock has pointed out countless times that the Mohawks were colonists/settlers, just like the UEL that they accompanied into Upper Canada. They were given land grants, just like the other settlers. Some sold their claims and some were ripped off, just like some whites.

If they have issues with traditional/ancestral lands, perhaps they should discuss this with the American government. Let's see how far they get.

[Donny_Brasco]

PENATRATOR PENATRATOR:

You mention another community that was awarded a settlement. Did they resolve that thru force or was it as a result of legal proceedings? I would be interested in hearing how that one worked out if it was done peacfully, maybe everybody else could follow suit use it as a bluerint of how to deal with this shit in an adult and civilized manner.

I totally agree. They should have wated until a hundred condos were built and the land was worth 10 times what it was when they got there.

That way when the government settled the land claim you would be on the hook for much, much more.

Alas, they decided they didn't want to burden you with any more than what the original land was worth. I would have held out for a billion and resolved it peacefully in 15 or 20 years.

Too bad they don't listen to me. You would have really had something to complain about then. And I know how much you like to complain.

[OnTheIce]

PENATRATOR PENATRATOR:

Brasco

PROVE in court that they have legal title, if they can, then by all means your welcome to it, however, should they lose the court battle, it's back to "fucking whitey" and roadblocks. Just where the hell do they expect to get by holding a town hostage and assualting innocent people?
You mention another community that was awarded a settlement. Did they resolve that thru force or was it as a result of legal proceedings? I would be interested in hearing how that one worked out if it was done peacfully, maybe everybody else could follow suit use it as a bluerint of how to deal with this shit in an adult and civilized manner.

Brasco has no desire to prove anything, nor do his people.

They're entitled to anything they say they are and he enjoys rubbing it in our faces

[Mustang1]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

The Mohawks unlike most other native peoples don't have a traditional/ancestral to this land. Eyebrock has pointed out countless times that the Mohawks were colonists/settlers, just like the UEL that they accompanied into Upper Canada. They were given land grants, just like the other settlers. Some sold their claims and some were ripped off, just like some whites.

If they have issues with traditional/ancestral lands, perhaps they should discuss this with the American government. Let's see how far they get.

Exactly. Not every land dispute is simply the revisionist nonsense that Native apologists like to push. In this case, the tract isn't a valid treaty dispute as these lands were LEGALLY sold to settlers. I wonder why the apologists don't comment on the specifics? I guess they can't wiki it.

[EyeBrock]

sandorski sandorski:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Then what is your position on this sandorski?

Compare the 2 groups and come to the inevitable conclusion: Non-Natives live in a much better Society no matter what criteria you use. Our Society is based on the Rule of Law which includes the suppression of Vigiltiism. Without that we lose.

And who's fault is that? I'd be right behind the First Nations if they took some accountability for the shite state of affairs they are in, but no. Donny and his ilk place the blame firmly at the feet of the 'white man'.

We have natives who get free everything and are no better off than when they got nothing.

Then we have refugees from various Third World crap-holes who are on their feet within a generation.

It's time our First Nations looked within and shared the blame a bit