[ShepherdsDog]

fifeboy fifeboy:

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

the buffalo

You mean
or ?

yup....smart ass

[fifeboy]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

yup....smart ass

[Mustang1]

fifeboy fifeboy:

Mustang1 Mustang1:

fifeboy fifeboy:

OK, lets have it

Have what?

Just the facts, Ma'am!

Like the Huron or the earlier Hopewell (although considerable debate remains about their cultural recession), Anazasi, or the widespread upheaval in MesoAmerica (pick a culture from Teotihuacan to Aztec-influenced forced immigration) The reality is that the New World has witnessed constant warfare, geographic dispersal, cultural drift and nomadic behavior long before Contact. In some places, in fact, there isn't any evidence of any permanent settlement and others are only recent Native occupation.

[acidcomplex]

ManifestDestiny ManifestDestiny:

Donny_Brasco Donny_Brasco:

acidcomplex acidcomplex:

oh for god sakes, anything for a buck eh. First Nation's get your head out of your ass

Did you even read the article? It does not say anything about money. In fact all it says is that the First Nations have the right to be consulted prior to any work taking place on lands that are/were their original territory.

That is very similar to your RM, city council or other government body consulting with you at a public meeting on the possibility of work or construction near where you live.

No problem offer them some whiskey that should close the deal

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[acidcomplex]

Donny_Brasco Donny_Brasco:

It is shameful that you neglect your own laws and own promises when it comes to First Nation people.

As is equally disgusting that the First Nation peoples neglect our "white man" laws. Where does it say you can leave your baby out in the cold on the reserve to freeze to death, or that chiefs can use the payments made to them for a whole reserve on booze and new SUVs?. Yeah go ahead and stand there and tell me it doesn't happen. Iv seen first hand proof of it so nothing you can say will change my mind and what iv seen. haven't seen it? Hit up even one reseve in Alberta and tell me I'm wrong


You think if it was some little company with no money or a day care or anything poor that we would hear one peep from the FN people? Yeah thought so

[PJB]

Donny...You seem to be fighting an uphill battle. Granted there should be consultation where the lands are directly involved insofar as it pertains to environmental concerns, you said it should pertain to lands that are or WERE occupied by natives. This brings up a question. Should I have a say in development of lands that are no longer mine?

[Donny_Brasco]

acidcomplex acidcomplex:

Donny_Brasco Donny_Brasco:

It is shameful that you neglect your own laws and own promises when it comes to First Nation people.

As is equally disgusting that the First Nation peoples neglect our "white man" laws. Where does it say you can leave your baby out in the cold on the reserve to freeze to death, or that chiefs can use the payments made to them for a whole reserve on booze and new SUVs?. Yeah go ahead and stand there and tell me it doesn't happen. Iv seen first hand proof of it so nothing you can say will change my mind and what iv seen. haven't seen it? Hit up even one reseve in Alberta and tell me I'm wrong

So are you saying it is only Indians breaking laws? Is it only some of our politicians breaking laws or do white people break laws too? If you paint us all the same by bringing up that stupid motherfucker who let his kids freeze then maybe I can paint you with the same brush as Bernando and Holomoka. Are all you white people murderers and perverts. Of course not.

Don't paint me, my family and my Chief in the same light as the few of our people who fuck up. There are scores of good people for every criminal and corrupt politician - who just want to be treated fairly, have jobs and nice cars and own houses and pay taxes...and still fight for you to honour your treaties with us and your promises to us and to be treated fairly in business and in the workplace.

Is it wrong for Natives to ask for consultation when our water supply, hunting areas and air quality might be a concern for us due to development? Is it wrong for us to ask you to uphold the laws you have in place to ensure this sort of consultation takes place?

[fifeboy]

Mustang1 Mustang1:

Like the Huron or the earlier Hopewell (although considerable debate remains about their cultural recession), Anazasi, or the widespread upheaval in MesoAmerica (pick a culture from Teotihuacan to Aztec-influenced forced immigration) The reality is that the New World has witnessed constant warfare, geographic dispersal, cultural drift and nomadic behavior long before Contact. In some places, in fact, there isn't any evidence of any permanent settlement and others are only recent Native occupation.

Wow, you can't understand how relieved I was to this post. For a while I thought you may be one of the Erik von Daniken crowd. Or at the very least, one of the Egyptians in MesoAmerica/Celts in America guys. It was a relief.

[PJB]

Donny...you seem stuck on the idea of 'hunting areas'. Please provide us with numbers as to how many natives actually hunt for their food. You want these 'hunting areas' held sacred so come up with figures.

[Donny_Brasco]

PJB PJB:

Donny...You seem to be fighting an uphill battle. Granted there should be consultation where the lands are directly involved insofar as it pertains to environmental concerns, you said it should pertain to lands that are or WERE occupied by natives. This brings up a question. Should I have a say in development of lands that are no longer mine?

A) The Royal Proclamation of 1763 recognizes our right to all the land in the West and makes it clear that any transaction involves fair negotiation with the Natives who inhabit it.

B) In exchange for signing treaties to share the land with your forefathers we were promised certian things, one of them was the right to hunt and trap (amongst other things)on our traditional lands.

C) Recently the Supreme Court of Canada upheld our right to be consulted on any developments which may affect our rights that are guaranteed by these treaties. These rights are further enshrined in the Canadian Constitution.

D) We are not required to ask to be consulted.

E) This consultation is not anything different than any other businesses duty to do the same within cities, RM's, towns, farms, etc... and yes, usually there is a monetary component for the inconvenience for any of the above. Not just Indians.

So your accusations are a double standard, because if the City decided to build a freeway or airport beside your home, you would be consulted and if you have half a brain and a good lawyer you would get some compensation too.

[PJB]

Donny...you avoided the question completely, as you usually do. I asked should I be consulted regarding lands I no longer own. The treaties ceded native lands to the crown but you and your followers tend to ignore that little piece of information!

[acidcomplex]

Donny_Brasco Donny_Brasco:

So are you saying it is only Indians breaking laws?

Nope didn't say that

Donny_Brasco Donny_Brasco:

Is it only some of our politicians breaking laws or do white people break laws too?

We sure do

Donny_Brasco Donny_Brasco:

If you paint us all the same by bringing up that stupid motherfucker who let his kids freeze then maybe I can paint you with the same brush as Bernando and Holomoka. Are all you white people murderers and perverts. Of course not.

But you just did paint us all with the same brush didn't you?

Donny_Brasco Donny_Brasco:

Don't paint me, my family and my Chief in the same light as the few of our people who fuck up.

Your doing the same thing to us "white" people

Donny_Brasco Donny_Brasco:

and still fight for you to honour your treaties with us and your promises to us and

I have promised none of these things to you, past generations maybe, and i do mean maybe. things change, laws and treaties change, get with the times.

Donny_Brasco Donny_Brasco:

Is it wrong for Natives to ask for consultation when our water supply, hunting areas and air quality might be a concern for us due to development?

No its not but I'M sorry what Indians live in the proposed area?

Donny_Brasco Donny_Brasco:

Is it wrong for us to ask you to uphold the laws you have in place to ensure this sort of consultation takes place?

Read the law and you will see this is not the case. and again stand there and tell me if this was some poor little company or a daycare etc that had no money that we would even be hearing from the FN people.

[PJB]

acid...If you don't know Donny here is a tid-bit about him. He loves the Canadian legal system as long as the laws benefit the FN's. Any other laws he feels that they do not apply to FN's because they are nations within our nation. He plays the 'R' card ad nauseum as long as it works in his favour.

Donny is a Canadian at his discretion.

[Zipperfish]

PJB PJB:

Donny...you avoided the question completely, as you usually do. I asked should I be consulted regarding lands I no longer own. The treaties ceded native lands to the crown but you and your followers tend to ignore that little piece of information!

There are no treaties with most First Nations in BC, and therefore they did not cede or otherwise surrender their title. I think teh situation is similar in Alberta. So it's not a matter of aboriginals asking to be consulted about lands they no longer own, but of consultation being required because aboriginal title on that land still exists.

[PJB]

Zipperfish...You may want to check that out a bit before you jump to conclusions.

BC has no treaties but the rest of Canada does!!! The natives ceded lands but now they suddenly want it all back..hence the phrase "indian giver".