[Canadarc]

lily lily:

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Well, then Judo Manitoba has also left a stupid impression. They just should have said: These are the rules, this the dress code, period. Don't hide behind safety to make it more PC, but make it an easy choice, follow the rules or you're disqualified!

But first they have to make it a rule.

Oooooooooooooooooooooooh no, not again!

There are rules according to the uniform, they say exactly what is allowed. Ergo, anything else isn't. Otherwise you would have a list of 756 pages or maybe more what isn't allowed!

[Brenda]

And this is MY point:

(quoted from the article on the first page)

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"Just explain to (the referee) you need to keep it on. That you have the right to keep it," her father said.


"This is discrimination."

That is a lie.

[AsianWildRose]

Rules are rules.

Yesterday I went to the dentist and I had to take off my necklace so it wouldn't interfere with the XRays.

If it was against my religion to do so.. how can they get their work done?

[TattoodGirl]

Lets spin this in another way: Christian participants remove there crosses, Native participants remove medicine bags. First, it is not part of uniform. Second, it is commonsense that it is a choking hazard.

All in all, her club and master should have explained this to her parents, to her, before taking their money. It is a disciplined art, if you want to train you have to conform to the uniform, as well as many others factors. This should have been researched by her parents.

[AsianWildRose]

lily lily:

AsianWildRose AsianWildRose:

Rules are rules.

Yesterday I went to the dentist and I had to take off my necklace so it wouldn't interfere with the XRays.

If it was against my religion to do so.. how can they get their work done?

You could refuse if you want. No-one will force you to remove your jewelry, glasses, etc. The image won't be as good though, so the dentist might not get all the information he needs to make the best diagnosis.

So if my teeth rot because I didn't take my necklace off, can I sue him?

[BartSimpson]

Just as Christians and Jews have to adapt to the broader secular society in many situations then so should the muslims.

Failing that as an option the muslims can always move to a country where they feel more comfortable.

[Brenda]

lily lily:

TattoodGirl TattoodGirl:

Lets spin this in another way: Christian participants remove there crosses, Native participants remove medicine bags. First, it is not part of uniform. Second, it is commonsense that it is a choking hazard.

All in all, her club and master should have explained this to her parents, to her, before taking their money. It is a disciplined art, if you want to train you have to conform to the uniform, as well as many others factors. This should have been researched by her parents.

I don't think cross necklaces and medicine pouches have the same meaning as the hajib, although I could be wrong. To my knowledge, there's no requirement saying either must be worn.

neither is there in the muslim-religion.

In Turkey, it is forbidden to wear one in public places. How many muslims live there again? They take them off.


It is a choice to wear one, not a command. It is a choice for Christians, Catholics or Natives to wear the things they find important to them. They can take them off at any time.

[TattoodGirl]

lily lily:

TattoodGirl TattoodGirl:

Lets spin this in another way: Christian participants remove there crosses, Native participants remove medicine bags. First, it is not part of uniform. Second, it is commonsense that it is a choking hazard.

All in all, her club and master should have explained this to her parents, to her, before taking their money. It is a disciplined art, if you want to train you have to conform to the uniform, as well as many others factors. This should have been researched by her parents.

I don't think cross necklaces and medicine pouches have the same meaning as the hajib, although I could be wrong. To my knowledge, there's no requirement saying either must be worn.

Then if she is bound by a rule to keep it on, she should not be participating in an event where there is strict uniform. As far as I am concerned you are free to wear a hajib, burka, whatever you want, wherever you want, but if you want to participate in certain things there are codes to abide by. Martial Arts is more than a sport it is a discipline, each and every participant must display that respect. For some it is a cross over to their beliefs. There is a philosophy with Martial Arts, which is obvious some dismiss. Her Judo Dojo should have explained this, plain and simple, but they probably just wanted the cash.

[RUEZ]

TattoodGirl TattoodGirl:

lily lily:

TattoodGirl TattoodGirl:

Lets spin this in another way: Christian participants remove there crosses, Native participants remove medicine bags. First, it is not part of uniform. Second, it is commonsense that it is a choking hazard.

All in all, her club and master should have explained this to her parents, to her, before taking their money. It is a disciplined art, if you want to train you have to conform to the uniform, as well as many others factors. This should have been researched by her parents.

I don't think cross necklaces and medicine pouches have the same meaning as the hajib, although I could be wrong. To my knowledge, there's no requirement saying either must be worn.

Then if she is bound by a rule to keep it on, she should not be participating in an event where there is strict uniform. As far as I am concerned you are free to wear a hajib, burka, whatever you want, wherever you want, but if you want to participate in certain things there are codes to abide by. Martial Arts is more than a sport it is a discipline, each and every participant must display that respect. For some it is a cross over to their beliefs. There is a philosophy with Martial Arts, which is obvious some dismiss. Her Judo Dojo should have explained this, plain and simple, but they probably just wanted the cash.

That's all well and good but when I took Karate as a young boy I was never required to wear a uniform. We were offered the opportunity to buy one if we wanted but it wasn't mandatory for training. I'm sure it would be for any type of sanctioned competition though.

[TattoodGirl]

RUEZ RUEZ:

TattoodGirl TattoodGirl:

lily lily:

TattoodGirl TattoodGirl:

Lets spin this in another way: Christian participants remove there crosses, Native participants remove medicine bags. First, it is not part of uniform. Second, it is commonsense that it is a choking hazard.

All in all, her club and master should have explained this to her parents, to her, before taking their money. It is a disciplined art, if you want to train you have to conform to the uniform, as well as many others factors. This should have been researched by her parents.

I don't think cross necklaces and medicine pouches have the same meaning as the hajib, although I could be wrong. To my knowledge, there's no requirement saying either must be worn.

Then if she is bound by a rule to keep it on, she should not be participating in an event where there is strict uniform. As far as I am concerned you are free to wear a hajib, burka, whatever you want, wherever you want, but if you want to participate in certain things there are codes to abide by. Martial Arts is more than a sport it is a discipline, each and every participant must display that respect. For some it is a cross over to their beliefs. There is a philosophy with Martial Arts, which is obvious some dismiss. Her Judo Dojo should have explained this, plain and simple, but they probably just wanted the cash.

That's all well and good but when I took Karate as a young boy I was never required to wear a uniform. We were offered the opportunity to buy one if we wanted but it wasn't mandatory for training. I'm sure it would be for any type of sanctioned competition though.

It is sanctioned comps that im talking about and Dojo's/Dojang's know the rules of competition.

[Brenda]

lily lily:

Brenda Brenda:

lily lily:

TattoodGirl TattoodGirl:

Lets spin this in another way: Christian participants remove there crosses, Native participants remove medicine bags. First, it is not part of uniform. Second, it is commonsense that it is a choking hazard.

All in all, her club and master should have explained this to her parents, to her, before taking their money. It is a disciplined art, if you want to train you have to conform to the uniform, as well as many others factors. This should have been researched by her parents.

I don't think cross necklaces and medicine pouches have the same meaning as the hajib, although I could be wrong. To my knowledge, there's no requirement saying either must be worn.

neither is there in the muslim-religion.

In Turkey, it is forbidden to wear one in public places. How many muslims live there again? They take them off.


It is a choice to wear one, not a command. It is a choice for Christians, Catholics or Natives to wear the things they find important to them. They can take them off at any time.

Turkey forbids the wearing of headscarves? Or do you mean a full burka?

headscarves.

[hwacker]

lily lily:

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Her Judo Dojo should have explained this, plain and simple, but they probably just wanted the cash.

Her coach has worn a hijab in competitions for the last 10 years with no problems. As well, Egyptian, Moroccan and Algerian women compete while wearing theirs.

All muslims countries, Canada is not.

[RUEZ]

TattoodGirl TattoodGirl:

RUEZ RUEZ:

TattoodGirl TattoodGirl:

lily lily:

TattoodGirl TattoodGirl:

Lets spin this in another way: Christian participants remove there crosses, Native participants remove medicine bags. First, it is not part of uniform. Second, it is commonsense that it is a choking hazard.

All in all, her club and master should have explained this to her parents, to her, before taking their money. It is a disciplined art, if you want to train you have to conform to the uniform, as well as many others factors. This should have been researched by her parents.

I don't think cross necklaces and medicine pouches have the same meaning as the hajib, although I could be wrong. To my knowledge, there's no requirement saying either must be worn.

Then if she is bound by a rule to keep it on, she should not be participating in an event where there is strict uniform. As far as I am concerned you are free to wear a hajib, burka, whatever you want, wherever you want, but if you want to participate in certain things there are codes to abide by. Martial Arts is more than a sport it is a discipline, each and every participant must display that respect. For some it is a cross over to their beliefs. There is a philosophy with Martial Arts, which is obvious some dismiss. Her Judo Dojo should have explained this, plain and simple, but they probably just wanted the cash.

That's all well and good but when I took Karate as a young boy I was never required to wear a uniform. We were offered the opportunity to buy one if we wanted but it wasn't mandatory for training. I'm sure it would be for any type of sanctioned competition though.

It is sanctioned comps that im talking about and Dojo's/Dojang's know the rules of competition.

I'm just saying it's not as disciplined as you might think. It's definately open to accomadating people. Certainly if it's for her safety it should be removed though.

[TattoodGirl]

lily lily:

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Her Judo Dojo should have explained this, plain and simple, but they probably just wanted the cash.

Her coach has worn a hijab in competitions for the last 10 years with no problems. As well, Egyptian, Moroccan and Algerian women compete while wearing theirs.

Were they International sanctioned events?

If this child was able to participate and died in the event of being choked, would they have sued? Probably. I really would encourage anyone to go to a sanctioned event and see the level of competition. And the injuries that ensue. How can, in the heat of a match, can the opponent distinguish between hajib and part of a uniform?

[hwacker]

Oh and BTW the hijab is not part of the religion of islam.

so she can GFH.