[llama66]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Tricks Tricks:

Honestly, if I were Trudeau, I'd table legislation as soon as I got back about voiding all pharma patents originating from the U.S.

Wait till Monday.

Also table the Canada Energy Act, an Act that requires all foreign nations to pay full price for electricy. It also has provisions for throttling Energy to preserve the Canadian grid during times of heavy consumption.
Maybe something about Oil going south....

[llama66]

Robair Robair:

NAFTA stipulates that when it comes to oil, we can't treat the US differently than we do our own country. We can't tax oil to the US unless we apply the same tax in Canada.

There are some components of NAFTA that are not in Canada's interests. Walking away will not be the end of the economy.

So once Trump kills NAFTA we can apply that tax!

[BartSimpson]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

I'm sure the owners of that oil, Exxon, Sunoco, etc. will love that news!

They don't give a shit because they'll just pass on the cost to you.

[DrCaleb]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

I'm sure the owners of that oil, Exxon, Sunoco, etc. will love that news!

They don't give a shit because they'll just pass on the cost to you.

But local producers like Husky might not. Putting the companies that refine in the US at a disadvantage; they would have to eat the costs affecting the bottom line, or lose market share.

[BartSimpson]

So be it.

I say that not to be flippant but because at this point it seems inevitable.

[Robair]

llama66 llama66:

So once Trump kills NAFTA we can apply that tax!

If required to even a score. I like the match but don't escalate approach the Libs are taking.

I think all this requires is patience. Why negotiate trade with an anti-trade administration?

[bootlegga]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

On the upside of all the auto jobs you folks are about to lose at least you can rest soundly with the smug satisfaction that JT 'stood up for Canada' to DJT.

FTFY

llama66 llama66:

I still think NAFTA will get done. If it doesn't, don't worry, we too can play the tariff game, and release the drug patents and (I'd personally do this), charge the USA full price for all energy products and throttle the shit out of it at peak times.

The US does not have all the power here, and you rely on resources to make your products. I like Americans but if you think we'll cave because that idiot of a leaDURR has a gun to our head (figuratively) that's not going to happen.

Fine PM pretty boy hasn't been the best, but neither has 45. Both should be locked in a room until they either
a. get along
b. kill each other.

Fuck this shit. My blood boils every fucking time I read a NAFTA headline.

[llama66]

Nobody want's this, not even you Bart. But we'll not be bullied. Trump talks about how the US has been taken advantage of by all these trade deals. Its bullshit. You've screwed us more than once.

1959, The US leans on Diefenbaker to kill the Arrow, in a surprise announcement (yet reps from every US aircraft manufactor and NASA were just somehow waiting outside) Dief cancels the program. You got our best and brightest , we get the BOMARC missiles and Voodoo fighters and the AUTOPAC as compensation.

1988 Canada's nuclear sub programme is killed mainly because the United States exercised its rights under two previously signed treaties. Under the 1958 US–UK Mutual Defence Agreement, the US had the right to block the sale of submarine nuclear reactors by the United Kingdom to any third party (i.e. Canada), and under a 1959 agreement between the US and Canada the US had the right to block the purchase of submarine nuclear reactors by Canada from any third party (i.e. the United Kingdom or France). In addition to pressuring the Canadian Government fearing a Canadian SSN fleet would be a threat to American interests in the North West Passage. Thus killing our SSN program.

There's more but these are the two that piss me off the most.

Invade or leave us to develop on our own. You don't get to check both boxes. Not anymore.

[bootlegga]

This is what happens when nations work together for fair trade deals:

$1:

As European duties start to come off the crustaceans, Canada is gaining a price edge ranging from six to 20 per cent over shellfish from the United States, prompting the American industry and a prominent member of Congress to press the U.S. government for help.

“The Canada-EU agreement puts American lobster exporters at a serious disadvantage,” Maine Sen. Susan Collins warned in a column last month. “Unlike the Canadians, our exporters face tariffs … to sell into the European Union, which until recently was a very strong market.”

https://business.financialpost.com/news ... -advantage

Then there's Trump's idea of negotiations:

$1:

The first month China imposed a retaliatory 25 per cent tariff on lobster from the U.S., Canadian shipments nearly doubled compared to the year before.

Shipments to China went from 627,000 kilos in July, 2017 to over 1.25 million kilos in July 2018, according to Canadian government statistics. The value rose from $12 million to nearly $21 million.

...


This week, eight charter flights will carry live lobster – most of it from Nova Scotia – to Asia.

Six are direct flights to China. Two will go to Seoul.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-sco ... -1.4838547

There are similar news articles about how Canada and Brazil are stealing the soy market away from American farmers, nevermind those about Harley Davidson planning overseas factories to avoid US tariffs.

The silver lining, however small, in Trump's tactics is that it is helping us to diversify our markets, and while we can't all be lobster fishermen or soy farmers, it shows that Trump's policies do have negative effects for Americans.

I have a feeling when the US Commerce department releases its 3rd quarter figures at the end of October, they won't be anywhere close to the 4.2% they posted in Q2.

[BartSimpson]

llama66 llama66:

Nobody want's this, not even you Bart. But we'll not be bullied.

No, I do not want this. But I also don't want NAFTA. Not the way it's been.

Mexico came to the table and now there's a deal in the works and their trade rep made over sixty-five separate visits to Washington, made repeated meetings with the administration, and somehow managed never to insult anyone, nor did he make himself a spectacle in the media over a handshake, and he didn't seek out any other opportunity to embarrass the President or anyone connected to him.

And now Mexico has a deal and one of the key points of 75% North American content stands to be implemented.

I suspect there will not be a deal between the US and Canada. I also suspect that our military ties are going to degrade. I don't want that, either.

..........

Now, speaking for myself: After coming into two years of unrelenting abuse by certain Canadians you'll forgive me if I am keenly aware of the hostility against my country because we didn't elect a socialist like many Canadians would prefer.

I am not the only person who has been subjected to this hostility from Canadians.

One of our friends went on a cruise out of Quebec and got treated to no end of shit from a number of Canadians on board over this damnable derangement over Trump. They now refuse to ever visit Canada again for vacation.

I should probably point out that our friends are relatively moderate Republicans and of more consequence is that one of them works in the Directorate of Defense Trade Controls and it's utterly impossible that their experience is not going to impact trade issues.

I don't know what to say past that. This nonsense has real impacts and it amazes me how often people say things and expect their words to have no repercussions.

[llama66]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

llama66 llama66:

Nobody want's this, not even you Bart. But we'll not be bullied.

No, I do not want this. But I also don't want NAFTA. Not the way it's been.

Mexico came to the table and now there's a deal in the works and their trade rep made over sixty-five separate visits to Washington, made repeated meetings with the administration, and somehow managed never to insult anyone, nor did he make himself a spectacle in the media over a handshake, and he didn't seek out any other opportunity to embarrass the President or anyone connected to him.

And now Mexico has a deal and one of the key points of 75% North American content stands to be implemented.

I suspect there will not be a deal between the US and Canada. I also suspect that our military ties are going to degrade. I don't want that, either.

..........

Now, speaking for myself: After coming into two years of unrelenting abuse by certain Canadians you'll forgive me if I am keenly aware of the hostility against my country because we didn't elect a socialist like many Canadians would prefer.

I am not the only person who has been subjected to this hostility from Canadians.

One of our friends went on a cruise out of Quebec and got treated to no end of shit from a number of Canadians on board over this damnable derangement over Trump. They now refuse to ever visit Canada again for vacation.

I should probably point out that our friends are relatively moderate Republicans and of more consequence is that one of them works in the Directorate of Defense Trade Controls and it's utterly impossible that their experience is not going to impact trade issues.

I don't know what to say past that. This nonsense has real impacts and it amazes me how often people say things and expect their words to have no repercussions.

I get it. I hope you know I have no hostility towards you I like reading your posts and submissions, he'll, I've shared some stuff with you that's pretty personal.

I'm sorry you catch some of the brunt of my angst. I don't wish you elected a socialist, I wish you elected a leader that respected his allies.

If your ever in Calgary I'd buy you a beer...

[Robair]

Well, your president is a douche. When you defend a douche it reflects on you.

Good grief, even trying to turn the handshake thing around. Trump repeatedly tried to embarrass others by yanking them off balance and shoving them around when shaking hands. A douche thing to do. Trudeau didn't allow him to do that and it's Trudeau's error?

Nobody has hurled more insults or been more inappropriate than Trump. You defend him. Every time.

Turn off Faux news and meditate for a bit.

[raydan]

I truly can't understand how someone can defend anybody like that... not just Trump, anybody. It's an alien concept for me.

[Tricks]

Robair Robair:

Well, your president is a douche. When you defend a douche it reflects on you.

Good grief, even trying to turn the handshake thing around. Trump repeatedly tried to embarrass others by yanking them off balance and shoving them around when shaking hands. A douche thing to do. Trudeau didn't allow him to do that and it's Trudeau's error?

Nobody has hurled more insults or been more inappropriate than Trump. You defend him. Every time.

Turn off Faux news and meditate for a bit.

Can't slight the king.

[Tricks]

raydan raydan:

I truly can't understand how someone can defend anybody like that... not just Trump, anybody. It's an alien concept for me.

Having (R) or (D) in front of your name will always afford you uncompromising support from some people.